From: Tom Crispin on
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 08:08:33 GMT, Chris Bartram
<news(a)delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote:

>Tom Crispin wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:00:22 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps they should
>>> be made to sit a test before being allowed on the roads?
>>
>> With a little modification, a great idea. One of Cycling England's
>> objectives is that every primary child should have the opportunity to
>> take Bikeability Levels 1 and 2.
>>
>> Thanks to the local scheme I run, 285 children in Lewisham have passed
>> Bikeability Levels 1 and 2 before their 11th birthday. Of the 7 who
>> chose not to take the course I suspect most will never ride a bike.
>Is the old cycling proficiency scheme still going? I did that aged 10-11
>at primary school and IMHO it really made a difference.

It has been greatly enhanced.

Level 1 Bikeability - bicycle control skills in the school playground
Level 2 Bikeability - on-road cycling skills using quieter roads
Level 3 Bikeability - cycling using busier roads and complex junctions

The age guidelines I use are:
Level 1 - Age 6
Level 2 - Age 8
Level 3 - Age 10

This is lower than Cycling England recommend - which is one year older
for all levels.

I am in the process of setting up a modular format course for Level 3
Bikeability, with five 2 hour learning modules and four 2 or 3 hour
modules and a two day cycle tour.

LEARNING MODULES
1. using mini roundabouts
2. using traffic light junctions
3. cycling in slow moving traffic
4. using multi-lane roads
5. using major roundabouts

EXPERIENCE MODULES
1. bikes security and repairs
2. route planning
3. using cycle facilities
4. cycling at night
5. cycle touring

To pass Level 3 young cyclists will have to pass each of the learning
modules, which can be re-taken, and have completed each of the
experience modules. As well as this, they will be expected to keep a
log of personal cycling experience.
www.johnballcycling.org.uk/misc/logbook
From: ®i©ardo on
Danny Colyer wrote:
> On 05/07/2008 22:57, Steve Firth wrote:
>> If I'm driving a car and someone opens a door and I drive into it, the
>> accident is my fault, not the fault of the person opening the door.
>
> And what about HC rule 239?
> "You MUST ensure you do not hit anyone when you open your door. Check
> for cyclists or other traffic".
>
>> Quite why cyclists believe that the responsibility should go the other
>> way is beyond me.
>
> Perhaps reading the HC would help you.
>

But however much care one takes, there is always the chance of a cyclist
or passing motorist colliding with the door. That is *not* the same
thing as "hitting anyone when you open your door".

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Moving things in still pictures!
From: Brimstone on
Tom Crispin wrote:
> I am in the process of setting up a modular format course for Level 3
> Bikeability, with five 2 hour learning modules and four 2 or 3 hour
> modules and a two day cycle tour.
>
<snipped>

Could you clarify something for me please?

1. You teach people, mainly children AIUI to ride bicycles safely.
2. You were recently involved in a collision with a moving motor vehicle
which resulted in you suffering personal injury.

Is there not a certain irony here (if not a case of the blind leading the
blind)?


From: ®i©ardo on
Tom Crispin wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:00:22 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps they should
>> be made to sit a test before being allowed on the roads?
>
> With a little modification, a great idea. One of Cycling England's
> objectives is that every primary child should have the opportunity to
> take Bikeability Levels 1 and 2.
>
> Thanks to the local scheme I run, 285 children in Lewisham have passed
> Bikeability Levels 1 and 2 before their 11th birthday. Of the 7 who
> chose not to take the course I suspect most will never ride a bike.

Why are there so few children in lewisham?

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Moving things in still pictures!
From: Brimstone on
�i�ardo wrote:
> Tom Crispin wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:00:22 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps they should
>>> be made to sit a test before being allowed on the roads?
>>
>> With a little modification, a great idea. One of Cycling England's
>> objectives is that every primary child should have the opportunity to
>> take Bikeability Levels 1 and 2.
>>
>> Thanks to the local scheme I run, 285 children in Lewisham have
>> passed Bikeability Levels 1 and 2 before their 11th birthday. Of
>> the 7 who chose not to take the course I suspect most will never
>> ride a bike.
>
> Why are there so few children in lewisham?

Doug has frightened tham all away.