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From: ®i©ardo on 6 Jul 2008 05:08 Brimstone wrote: > �i�ardo wrote: >> Tom Crispin wrote: >>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:00:22 +0100, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Perhaps they should >>>> be made to sit a test before being allowed on the roads? >>> With a little modification, a great idea. One of Cycling England's >>> objectives is that every primary child should have the opportunity to >>> take Bikeability Levels 1 and 2. >>> >>> Thanks to the local scheme I run, 285 children in Lewisham have >>> passed Bikeability Levels 1 and 2 before their 11th birthday. Of >>> the 7 who chose not to take the course I suspect most will never >>> ride a bike. >> Why are there so few children in lewisham? > > Doug has frightened tham all away. > > LOL! The Bogey Man, or perhaps even Smokey Joe who I seem to recall from my childhood. -- Moving things in still pictures!
From: Tom Crispin on 6 Jul 2008 05:21 On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:34:44 +0100, �i�ardo <here(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >Tom Crispin wrote: >> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:40:21 +0100, JNugent <JN(a)NPPTG.com> wrote: >> >>> You would never expect all of the parked cars in a row next to the kerb >>> to sprout drivers, have their engines turned on and to move off one >>> after the other, all within a few seconds. >>> >>> Well, no-one normal would. >> >> 20% of deaths and serious injuries among London's cyclists are by a >> driver or passenger opening their car door into the path of a cyclist. > >Perhaps, bearing in mind the substantial difference between "deaths" and > "serious injuries", you could tell us the number of deaths and the >number of serious injuries sustained by cyclists riding into car doors. Given that the number of cyclists killed on London's roads is small I expect the number killed by drivers or their passengers opening their door into the path of a cyclist is nil or single digits. The biggest cause of death alone is from lorry drivers pulling alongside cyclists at red lights and then turning left - just one reason why passing the stop line on red is common among London's cyclists, and something, though illegal, I would strongly recommend to cyclists who find a truck alongside at red lights. Even better still would be for the cyclist to be in primary position at lights, but that does little good at multi-lanes roads where lorry drivers may well be in the outer lane. Here are examples of good and bad positioning. http://www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/position/bad http://www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/position/good (apologies for the poor quality of the pictures)
From: Tom Crispin on 6 Jul 2008 05:33 On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:53:18 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng03(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >Tom Crispin wrote: >> I am in the process of setting up a modular format course for Level 3 >> Bikeability, with five 2 hour learning modules and four 2 or 3 hour >> modules and a two day cycle tour. >> ><snipped> > >Could you clarify something for me please? > >1. You teach people, mainly children AIUI to ride bicycles safely. >2. You were recently involved in a collision with a moving motor vehicle >which resulted in you suffering personal injury. > >Is there not a certain irony here (if not a case of the blind leading the >blind)? 1. - correct 2. - incorrect, it was over a year ago Do you think that a driving instructor, hit by a vehicle driving diagonally across his path to reach a parking bay on the opposite side of the road, should be excluded from working as a driving instructor?
From: Nick Finnigan on 6 Jul 2008 05:46 Periander wrote: > %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote in > news:1ijmqdc.o45wv71p5469sN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk: > >> >>Perhaps getting a clue would help you. The prohibition in the HC is on >>opening the door and hitting someone or something with the door. If >>the door has been opened and someone rides or drives into it then they >>are in the wrong. >> >>The stupidity of cyclists seems to be without limit. Perhaps they >>should be made to sit a test before being allowed on the roads? >> > > > Actually much as I like to laugh when a cyclist gets taken out as the > result of his own folly (especially if there's blood, broken bones and a > wrecked cycle) there is actually an offence of "Opening a door to the > danger of road users". Don't ask me to quote act and section it's to > late and I can't be arsed but it's there none the less. Construction and Use regulations. A person shall not open, or cause or permit to be opened, any door of a vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger anyone. So you don't have to hit the cyclist, causing him to stop would count. Still unclear as to whether a door left open would be dangerous.
From: Brimstone on 6 Jul 2008 05:49
Tom Crispin wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:53:18 +0100, "Brimstone" > <brimstone520-ng03(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> Tom Crispin wrote: >>> I am in the process of setting up a modular format course for Level >>> 3 Bikeability, with five 2 hour learning modules and four 2 or 3 >>> hour modules and a two day cycle tour. >>> >> <snipped> >> >> Could you clarify something for me please? >> >> 1. You teach people, mainly children AIUI to ride bicycles safely. >> 2. You were recently involved in a collision with a moving motor >> vehicle which resulted in you suffering personal injury. >> >> Is there not a certain irony here (if not a case of the blind >> leading the blind)? > > 1. - correct > 2. - incorrect, it was over a year ago OK, delete "recently". The question is till valid. > Do you think that a driving instructor, hit by a vehicle driving > diagonally across his path to reach a parking bay on the opposite side > of the road, should be excluded from working as a driving instructor? A competent driving instructor would not put himself in that situation. |