From: ®i©ardo on 6 Jul 2008 05:08
> �i�ardo wrote:
>> Tom Crispin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 00:00:22 +0100, %email@example.com (Steve Firth)
>>>> Perhaps they should
>>>> be made to sit a test before being allowed on the roads?
>>> With a little modification, a great idea. One of Cycling England's
>>> objectives is that every primary child should have the opportunity to
>>> take Bikeability Levels 1 and 2.
>>> Thanks to the local scheme I run, 285 children in Lewisham have
>>> passed Bikeability Levels 1 and 2 before their 11th birthday. Of
>>> the 7 who chose not to take the course I suspect most will never
>>> ride a bike.
>> Why are there so few children in lewisham?
> Doug has frightened tham all away.
LOL! The Bogey Man, or perhaps even Smokey Joe who I seem to recall from
Moving things in still pictures!
From: Tom Crispin on 6 Jul 2008 05:21
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:34:44 +0100, �i�ardo <here(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>Tom Crispin wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:40:21 +0100, JNugent <JN(a)NPPTG.com> wrote:
>>> You would never expect all of the parked cars in a row next to the kerb
>>> to sprout drivers, have their engines turned on and to move off one
>>> after the other, all within a few seconds.
>>> Well, no-one normal would.
>> 20% of deaths and serious injuries among London's cyclists are by a
>> driver or passenger opening their car door into the path of a cyclist.
>Perhaps, bearing in mind the substantial difference between "deaths" and
> "serious injuries", you could tell us the number of deaths and the
>number of serious injuries sustained by cyclists riding into car doors.
Given that the number of cyclists killed on London's roads is small I
expect the number killed by drivers or their passengers opening their
door into the path of a cyclist is nil or single digits.
The biggest cause of death alone is from lorry drivers pulling
alongside cyclists at red lights and then turning left - just one
reason why passing the stop line on red is common among London's
cyclists, and something, though illegal, I would strongly recommend to
cyclists who find a truck alongside at red lights.
Even better still would be for the cyclist to be in primary position
at lights, but that does little good at multi-lanes roads where lorry
drivers may well be in the outer lane.
Here are examples of good and bad positioning.
(apologies for the poor quality of the pictures)
From: Tom Crispin on 6 Jul 2008 05:33
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:53:18 +0100, "Brimstone"
>Tom Crispin wrote:
>> I am in the process of setting up a modular format course for Level 3
>> Bikeability, with five 2 hour learning modules and four 2 or 3 hour
>> modules and a two day cycle tour.
>Could you clarify something for me please?
>1. You teach people, mainly children AIUI to ride bicycles safely.
>2. You were recently involved in a collision with a moving motor vehicle
>which resulted in you suffering personal injury.
>Is there not a certain irony here (if not a case of the blind leading the
1. - correct
2. - incorrect, it was over a year ago
Do you think that a driving instructor, hit by a vehicle driving
diagonally across his path to reach a parking bay on the opposite side
of the road, should be excluded from working as a driving instructor?
From: Nick Finnigan on 6 Jul 2008 05:46
> %firstname.lastname@example.org (Steve Firth) wrote in
>>Perhaps getting a clue would help you. The prohibition in the HC is on
>>opening the door and hitting someone or something with the door. If
>>the door has been opened and someone rides or drives into it then they
>>are in the wrong.
>>The stupidity of cyclists seems to be without limit. Perhaps they
>>should be made to sit a test before being allowed on the roads?
> Actually much as I like to laugh when a cyclist gets taken out as the
> result of his own folly (especially if there's blood, broken bones and a
> wrecked cycle) there is actually an offence of "Opening a door to the
> danger of road users". Don't ask me to quote act and section it's to
> late and I can't be arsed but it's there none the less.
Construction and Use regulations.
A person shall not open, or cause or permit to be opened, any door of a
vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger anyone.
So you don't have to hit the cyclist, causing him to stop would count.
Still unclear as to whether a door left open would be dangerous.
From: Brimstone on 6 Jul 2008 05:49
Tom Crispin wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:53:18 +0100, "Brimstone"
> <brimstone520-ng03(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Tom Crispin wrote:
>>> I am in the process of setting up a modular format course for Level
>>> 3 Bikeability, with five 2 hour learning modules and four 2 or 3
>>> hour modules and a two day cycle tour.
>> Could you clarify something for me please?
>> 1. You teach people, mainly children AIUI to ride bicycles safely.
>> 2. You were recently involved in a collision with a moving motor
>> vehicle which resulted in you suffering personal injury.
>> Is there not a certain irony here (if not a case of the blind
>> leading the blind)?
> 1. - correct
> 2. - incorrect, it was over a year ago
OK, delete "recently". The question is till valid.
> Do you think that a driving instructor, hit by a vehicle driving
> diagonally across his path to reach a parking bay on the opposite side
> of the road, should be excluded from working as a driving instructor?
A competent driving instructor would not put himself in that situation.