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From: Nick Finnigan on 6 Jul 2008 10:42 JNugent wrote: > Danny Colyer wrote: > >> On 06/07/2008 10:46, Nick Finnigan wrote: >> >>> Construction and Use regulations. >>> A person shall not open, or cause or permit to be opened, any door of >>> a vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger anyone. >>> >>> So you don't have to hit the cyclist, causing him to stop would >>> count. Still unclear as to whether a door left open would be dangerous. >> >> >> Thanks, Nick, for looking that up. It saves me trying to help Steve >> any further. I'm pretty sure now that he's beyond help, anyway - he >> certainly comes across as someone who is unfit to be in charge of any >> type of vehicle on the public highway. > > > What, even though the PP's post was a complete non-sequitur? Quoting the actual regulation is a complete sequitur.
From: Steve Firth on 6 Jul 2008 10:31 JNugent <JN(a)NPPTG.com> wrote: > Danny Colyer wrote: > > On 06/07/2008 10:46, Nick Finnigan wrote: > >> Construction and Use regulations. > >> A person shall not open, or cause or permit to be opened, any door of > >> a vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger anyone. > >> > >> So you don't have to hit the cyclist, causing him to stop would > >> count. Still unclear as to whether a door left open would be dangerous. > > > > Thanks, Nick, for looking that up. It saves me trying to help Steve any > > further. I'm pretty sure now that he's beyond help, anyway - he > > certainly comes across as someone who is unfit to be in charge of any > > type of vehicle on the public highway. > > What, even though the PP's post was a complete non-sequitur? Mr Colyer is feeing aggrieved and therefore needs to lash out at someone. The fact that I have not advocated openign doors in front of cyclists and that I have in fact said nothing other than that cyclists are not exempt from paying the same attention to the road and other road users as drivers/motorcyclists seems to have "whooshed' Mr. C. Indeed he seem to think that proper observation, not making stupid assumptions, being aware of the failings of other drivers and not placing one's life in someone elses hands are the mark of a bad driver who is "unfit to be in charge of any type of vehicle on the public highway." That amuses me. > Having to stop is not an injury; neither is it dangerous. It happens to > me many times every day that I drive (or, for that matter, walk). It's somethign we all should be prepared for, and no one, especially not someone who preens himself on being a cycling instructor, should be considering an overtake at a junction.
From: Steve Firth on 6 Jul 2008 10:55 Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > JNugent wrote: > > Danny Colyer wrote: > > > >> On 06/07/2008 10:46, Nick Finnigan wrote: > >> > >>> Construction and Use regulations. > >>> A person shall not open, or cause or permit to be opened, any door of > >>> a vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger anyone. > >>> > >>> So you don't have to hit the cyclist, causing him to stop would > >>> count. Still unclear as to whether a door left open would be dangerous. > >> > >> > >> Thanks, Nick, for looking that up. It saves me trying to help Steve > >> any further. I'm pretty sure now that he's beyond help, anyway - he > >> certainly comes across as someone who is unfit to be in charge of any > >> type of vehicle on the public highway. > > > > > > What, even though the PP's post was a complete non-sequitur? > > Quoting the actual regulation is a complete sequitur. Sort of. I'm unaware of anyone ever having being prosecuted for the offence of opening a door at the wrong moment, and I did not doubt that such a law existed. Nor does the existence of such a law prevent people from making stupid mistakes and I know by experience at a remove (someone I know stupidly drove into an open car door) that the existence of the law does not prevent the person driving into the open door being held responsible for the accident. Nor does the law answer the question of when the door may be opened. If one takes it as a prohibtion on causing even the slightest possibility of inconvenience to a passing vehicle than the offside door woudl never get opened on street. There is therefore an unquantified moment at which opening the door becomes dangerous and that is, presumably, different depending on the speed and braking ability of the overtaking vehicle, the speed limit in force at the time etc. So it's a sort of non-sequitur to the issue of "should someone overtaking parked cars or stationary traffic proceed with great caution".
From: Nick Finnigan on 6 Jul 2008 11:13 Steve Firth wrote: > Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > > >>JNugent wrote: >> >>>Danny Colyer wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On 06/07/2008 10:46, Nick Finnigan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Construction and Use regulations. >>>>>A person shall not open, or cause or permit to be opened, any door of >>>>>a vehicle on a road so as to injure or endanger anyone. >>>>> >>>>> So you don't have to hit the cyclist, causing him to stop would >>>>>count. Still unclear as to whether a door left open would be dangerous. >>>> >>> >>>What, even though the PP's post was a complete non-sequitur? >> >> Quoting the actual regulation is a complete sequitur. > > > Sort of. I'm unaware of anyone ever having being prosecuted for the > offence of opening a door at the wrong moment, and I did not doubt that > such a law existed. > > Nor does the law answer the question of when the door may be opened. Which makes the regulation worth quoting in full, especially given the way Periander responded to your post. > So it's a sort of non-sequitur to the issue of "should someone > overtaking parked cars or stationary traffic proceed with great > caution". That would have been Periander's non-sequitur, not mine.
From: Tom Crispin on 6 Jul 2008 12:15
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:18:43 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng03(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >Tom Crispin wrote: >> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 15:00:15 +0100, "Brimstone" >> <brimstone520-ng03(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Tom Crispin wrote: >>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:52:55 +0100, "Brimstone" >>>> <brimstone520-ng03(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> A competent driving instructor would not put himself in that >>>>>>> situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Really? How, exactly? >>>>> >>>>> You're the instructor. Work it out. >>>> >>>> I see... You can't answer the question. >>> >>> You're confusing "can't" and "won't". >> >> So you won't answer the question because you can't? > >As I said, you're confusing willingness and ability. What someone is willing >to do and what they're able to do are two different things. So you would be willing to answer the question if you were able? |