From: JNugent on
Palindrome wrote:

> JNugent wrote:
>> Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>> Alex Heney wrote:
>>>> Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>> If the act of opening the door (rather than leaving it open) causes
>>>>> him to stop, then the other road user can not reasonably and safely
>>>>> take avoiding action.

>>>> You clearly have a very different definition of "reasonably and safely
>>>> take avoiding action" than that any reasonable person would use.

>>> In the first context reasonable => "moderate, not excessive". I do
>>> not regard an emergency stop as being moderate.

>> Not every stop is an emergency stop. I haven't made an emergency stop
>> for ages (and I'm not posting this from the driver's seat of a moving
>> vehicle).
>> Being forced to stop by an obstruction in the crriageway does not
>> equal "emergency stop" without further data.

> My last one was when the ramp of the trailer being towed by a tractor in
> front of me fell open. Instantly followed by a dozen or so large sheep
> charging out like the fifth cavalry.
> That one certainly would have counted as, "Bringing the vehicle to a
> halt as quickly as possible, whilst maintaining full control".
> You just don't get incidents like that in London.
> Oh, and yes. A sheep can do a forward roll..

:-)

I can't claim anything similar, but when I took my driving test,
xxxxxxxty-six years ago, in N London, the examiner did not belt up
(well, he wasn't obliged to at the time, none of us were) and he sat
sort of half-sideways, watching me all the time. We were approaching a
zebra crossing. A small child ran out of the aweetshop straight across
the zebra crossing without pausing. I jammed the brakes on and the
examiner, who had not seen the child at first, banged his head against
the windscreen. I still passed (first time).
From: Brimstone on
JNugent wrote:
> Nick Finnigan wrote:
>
>> JNugent wrote:
>>> Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>>> Alex Heney wrote:
>>>>> Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>>> If the act of opening the door (rather than leaving it open)
>>>>>> causes him to stop, then the other road user can not reasonably
>>>>>> and safely take avoiding action.
>
>>>>> You clearly have a very different definition of "reasonably and
>>>>> safely take avoiding action" than that any reasonable person
>>>>> would use.
>
>>>> In the first context reasonable => "moderate, not excessive". I do
>>>> not regard an emergency stop as being moderate.
>
>>> Not every stop is an emergency stop. I haven't made an emergency
>>> stop for ages (and I'm not posting this from the driver's seat of a
>>> moving vehicle).
>
>> Further support for it not being moderate.
>
> Is that part of the shipping forecast?
>
> It's certainly not a comprehensible reposne to what I wrote.
>
>>> Being forced to stop by an obstruction in the crriageway does not
>>> equal "emergency stop" without further data.
>
>> The further data is a door opening.
>
> That could be further data, but it is not sufficient further data. A
> door opening half a mile in front of you in a narrow street with cars
> parked on both sides might still require you to stop by the time you
> got to that spot. Not by any stretch of the reasonable man's
> imagination could you call it an emergency stop - or even an
> emergency. Sometimes, and whether we like it or not, we all have to
> stop. It's just life.

Are you quite determined to appear silly?


From: Alex Heney on
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:01:39 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk>
wrote:

>Alex Heney wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:08:18 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>

( Context re-inserted)
>>>> I don't think causing him to stop would count, provided he reasonably
>>>> could do so.
>>>>
>>>> It is only endangering him if it is done at such time that the other
>>>> road user cannot reasonably and safely take avoiding action.
>>>
>>> If the act of opening the door (rather than leaving it open) causes
>>>him to stop, then the other road user can not reasonably and safely take
>>>avoiding action.
>>
>>
>> You clearly have a very different definition of "reasonably and safely
>> take avoiding action" than that any reasonable person would use.
>
> In the first context reasonable => "moderate, not excessive". I do not
>regard an emergency stop as being moderate.

Neither do I.

I did NOT say or suggest that it would be OK if he had to do an
emergency stop.

Note the "provided he *reasonably* could do so" above (emphasis added
here).

An emergency stop is not "reasonable".
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Useless Invention: AC adapter for solar calculators.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
From: Alex Heney on
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:50:04 +0100, "Brimstone"
<brimstone520-ng03(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>JNugent wrote:
>> Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>

<snip>
>>
>>>> Being forced to stop by an obstruction in the crriageway does not
>>>> equal "emergency stop" without further data.
>>
>>> The further data is a door opening.
>>
>> That could be further data, but it is not sufficient further data. A
>> door opening half a mile in front of you in a narrow street with cars
>> parked on both sides might still require you to stop by the time you
>> got to that spot. Not by any stretch of the reasonable man's
>> imagination could you call it an emergency stop - or even an
>> emergency. Sometimes, and whether we like it or not, we all have to
>> stop. It's just life.
>
>Are you quite determined to appear silly?
>

If he is, then what he posted was doing a VERY bad job of it, since
there was nothing remotely "silly" in what he correctly said.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Useless Invention: AC adapter for solar calculators.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
From: Digiman on
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:27:47 +0100, Alex Heney <me8(a)privacy.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:50:04 +0100, "Brimstone"
><brimstone520-ng03(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>JNugent wrote:
>>> Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>>
>
><snip>
>>>
>>>>> Being forced to stop by an obstruction in the crriageway does not
>>>>> equal "emergency stop" without further data.
>>>
>>>> The further data is a door opening.
>>>
>>> That could be further data, but it is not sufficient further data. A
>>> door opening half a mile in front of you in a narrow street with cars
>>> parked on both sides might still require you to stop by the time you
>>> got to that spot. Not by any stretch of the reasonable man's
>>> imagination could you call it an emergency stop - or even an
>>> emergency. Sometimes, and whether we like it or not, we all have to
>>> stop. It's just life.
>>
>>Are you quite determined to appear silly?
>>
>
>If he is, then what he posted was doing a VERY bad job of it, since
>there was nothing remotely "silly" in what he correctly said.

He appears silly because he's using a standard troll technique of
imputing obviously inappropriate generality to what someone whrote
purely for the sake of causing or prolonging an argument.

I had my some doubts this morning as to whether you were a troll
yourself as you did make some reasonably sensible points in amongst your
troll defending.

In now appears that my doubts were unfounded.

You really do make a habit of defending trolls and as such can be
considered nothing more than a troll yourself.