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From: Mortimer on 17 Jun 2010 17:55 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:87vg9aFgbmU16(a)mid.individual.net... > "Mortimer" <me(a)privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > >> The last time I drove an automatic was about 8 years ago and the car (a >> Ford Focus) didn't have a manual selector to allow manual control of >> gearchanges - it just had PRNDL positions to allow a low gear to be >> selected when going downhill. Certainly not on this one. >> I imagine that a modern automatic would be easier because you could slip >> the lever sideways into manual and it would hold whatever gear it was >> currently in until you manually nudged it up or down a gear. > > Why just modern? Even the old-tech 3-spd slusho in the CX had PRND21. The problem with that is that you can hold onto 2 or 1 according to the selector position but you can't hold onto a higher gear.
From: Steve Firth on 17 Jun 2010 18:41 Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: > %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like > they were saying: > > > OTOH the current Jag autoboxes are astonishing. OK they can't see ahead, > > but they drive as if they could. > > A friend of mine tried to flog me a Jag a few years back. Very tempted, I > was. Utterly tidy s3 XJ6. > > But... > > Manual box and cloth interior. Run away, run away! > I could have lived with either of 'em alone. Probably. But the > combination...? I couldn't live with either. The only Jags worth having tend to be top of the range models. For a SIII that's the V12. Skip over the XJ40 and go to the 1996 X300 V12 which IMO is the best ever V12 Jag. Then the X300 XJR, X308 XJR and then you have to ditch the XJR because it turns into a minger and go for the supercharged X350 Sovereign.
From: Ret. on 18 Jun 2010 03:32 Adrian wrote: > "Mortimer" <me(a)privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they > were saying: > >>>> I've never owned an auto with a 'tiptronic' type of manual change. >>>> I know several people who do, however, and they never use it. What >>>> is the point of having an automatic gearbox and then changing gear >>>> manually? > >>> If you enjoyed driving, you wouldn't need to ask. > >> And if you find that the automatic box changes gear at a time when >> you wouldn't change, and you end up "fighting" the box, then manual >> override could be useful. It's an example of a fundamental law of >> technology: anything which is automated should have a manual >> override for the times when the automatic "brain" gets it wrong. > > *ding* > > Not to mention that I can see a bit further down the road than the > 'box can. Sorry, but it's a load of bull. I'm now on my fourth auto and I have managed to drive these four cars around the entire country without ever thinking, "Oh dear, I wouldn't have chosen that gear then.." Have I ever got into difficulties because the auto box selected the wrong gear? No I haven't. No matter what any of the 'sporty' drivers say - 95% of an average UK motorist's driving today is undertaken in congested traffic conditions - and that is where the auto box wins hands down. My son has just switched from an auto to a manual. He would have preferred to remain with an auto but, because he has a young family and fuel prices are ever climbing, he favoured economy this time. He likes his new car (and he got a very good deal) - but he is not enjoying the hassle of having to change gears manually again. He went into Manchester yesterday and complained that in slow moving traffic his left leg began to ache because of the constant need to declutch. -- Kev
From: Ret. on 18 Jun 2010 03:38 Adrian wrote: > "Mortimer" <me(a)privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they > were saying: > >> The last time I drove an automatic was about 8 years ago and the car >> (a Ford Focus) didn't have a manual selector to allow manual control >> of gearchanges - it just had PRNDL positions to allow a low gear to >> be selected when going downhill. > > Did they use a CVT in the Focus? > >> I imagine that a modern automatic would be easier because you could >> slip the lever sideways into manual and it would hold whatever gear >> it was currently in until you manually nudged it up or down a gear. > > Why just modern? Even the old-tech 3-spd slusho in the CX had PRND21. All my auto boxes (Cavalier 1.8. Omega 2.0. Rover 75 saloon and Rover 75 tourer) have had the option to select lower gears and hold on to them. I very very rarely used the facility in the two Vauxhalls - and in the Rovers the gearbox will change down and hold a lower gear automatically when descending hills with the footbrake applied and so there has been no need to use those lower gears manually at all. Even when towing the caravan, the auto box has worked perfectly. In fact I would argue that an auto box is dramatically more suitable for caravan towing than a manual. -- Kev
From: Silk on 18 Jun 2010 12:44
On 18/06/2010 08:32, Ret. wrote: > Sorry, but it's a load of bull. I'm now on my fourth auto and I have > managed to drive these four cars around the entire country without ever > thinking, "Oh dear, I wouldn't have chosen that gear then.." All I can say is, you're lying when you say you were a Class 1 Police Driver. There's no way you could come out with a statement like this and have had any experience of Advanced Driving. |