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From: Ret. on 16 Jun 2010 03:42 Adrian wrote: > "Mortimer" <me(a)privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they > were saying: > >> Do VW's new common rail diesels have the same quirk as their older >> Pump Duse (PD) diesels that it is very easy to stall the engine if >> you don't apply enough throttle when setting off from rest? > > The MkV Golf 1.9TDi I had the other year as a loaner certainly did. I > _think_ that was a common-rail rather than a PD, albeit not one of the > newer lumps. Three years ago I hired a Golf 1.9 diesel from Malaga airport for a week. If I stalled that car once I stalled it a dozen times during the week that I had it. It was an absolute pain. And before you say anything - it was not because I am more used to autos. I have driven several manual cars since then without any problem at all. -- Kev
From: Mortimer on 16 Jun 2010 05:23 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:87r8t0FrvnU8(a)mid.individual.net... > "Mortimer" <me(a)privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > >> Do VW's new common rail diesels have the same quirk as their older Pump >> Duse (PD) diesels that it is very easy to stall the engine if you don't >> apply enough throttle when setting off from rest? > > The MkV Golf 1.9TDi I had the other year as a loaner certainly did. I > _think_ that was a common-rail rather than a PD, albeit not one of the > newer lumps. I'm not sure when VW changed from PD to CR engines. Last year I test-drove both a Mark V and a Mark VI Golf (I preferred the interior of the Mark V - less chrome around the instruments to reflect in the door mirror, etc; instruments small enough that they weren't partly obscured by the steering wheel). I *think* the salesman said that they both had the PD engine (the 1.9), and that VW were about to release a new 1.6 engine in the next model year which was maybe going to be the CR engine.
From: Tim Downie on 16 Jun 2010 07:18 Ret. wrote: > They seem to be all the rage at the moment and are suggested as an > economical alternative to a diesel. Certainly they seem to pull out > all the stops: good performance and excellent mpg - but what are they > like to drive? > My diesel auto 75 is very relaxed on the motorways. At an indicated > 80 it is only doing around 2500 rpm. My son's old Passat petrol auto > always sounded very stressed and noisy at that sort of speed - > revving very much higher. I would prefer a relaxed diesel to a very > high revving petrol engine - but does the turbo-charger mean the revs > are lower at high speed? > VW group 1.4 turbo petrol engined cars with the DSG gearbox (which > gives better acceleration and economy than the manual version) are > attracting my interest. It would be nice to have the benefits of an > auto box without the fuel penalty. Don't believe everything that you read about the DSG gearbox. It's good, but it's not miraculous. It's heavier than the manual box and for my car at least (VW Touran DSG, the quoted fuel consumption figures are higher than for the manual version. Relaxed cruising as others have said will depend on final drive ratio. Tim
From: Adrian on 16 Jun 2010 07:19 "Tim Downie" <timdownie2003(a)yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Don't believe everything that you read about the DSG gearbox. It's > good, but it's not miraculous. It's heavier than the manual box and for > my car at least (VW Touran DSG, the quoted fuel consumption figures are > higher than for the manual version. It's also mind-numbingly complex, and there are stories of poor reliability at older ages and higher mileages.
From: Tim Downie on 16 Jun 2010 07:21
Nick Finnigan wrote: > Ret. wrote: >> They seem to be all the rage at the moment and are suggested as an >> economical alternative to a diesel. Certainly they seem to pull out >> all the stops: good performance and excellent mpg - but what are >> they like to drive? >> >> My diesel auto 75 is very relaxed on the motorways. At an indicated >> 80 it is only doing around 2500 rpm. My son's old Passat petrol auto >> always sounded very stressed and noisy at that sort of speed - >> revving very much higher. I would prefer a relaxed diesel to a very >> high revving petrol engine - but does the turbo-charger mean the >> revs are lower at high speed? >> >> VW group 1.4 turbo petrol engined cars with the DSG gearbox (which >> gives better acceleration and economy than the manual version) are >> attracting my interest. It would be nice to have the benefits of an >> auto box without the fuel penalty. > > TSI is turbo and super charged and will be about 2500 at an > indicated 80 in top. Whether the engine is diesel or petrol or lpg is > irrelevant. No, there are two versions of the 1.4 now. See http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Volkswagen-Golf-1.4-TSI-120-S/225969/ The turbo & supercharged version certainly sounds very busy and I can't imagine it being a relaxing drive. Tim |