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From: Adrian on 17 Jun 2010 16:51 "Mortimer" <me(a)privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> I've never owned an auto with a 'tiptronic' type of manual change. I >>> know several people who do, however, and they never use it. What is >>> the point of having an automatic gearbox and then changing gear >>> manually? >> If you enjoyed driving, you wouldn't need to ask. > And if you find that the automatic box changes gear at a time when you > wouldn't change, and you end up "fighting" the box, then manual override > could be useful. It's an example of a fundamental law of technology: > anything which is automated should have a manual override for the times > when the automatic "brain" gets it wrong. *ding* Not to mention that I can see a bit further down the road than the 'box can.
From: Adrian on 17 Jun 2010 16:52 "Mortimer" <me(a)privacy.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > The last time I drove an automatic was about 8 years ago and the car (a > Ford Focus) didn't have a manual selector to allow manual control of > gearchanges - it just had PRNDL positions to allow a low gear to be > selected when going downhill. Did they use a CVT in the Focus? > I imagine that a modern automatic would be easier because you could slip > the lever sideways into manual and it would hold whatever gear it was > currently in until you manually nudged it up or down a gear. Why just modern? Even the old-tech 3-spd slusho in the CX had PRND21.
From: Silk on 17 Jun 2010 17:22 On 17/06/2010 18:59, Ret. wrote: > boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:34:44 +0100 >> bod <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>> Most modern autos have a manual selector, why not use that at a >>> roundabout or whenever necessary? >> >> Most of them are manual in name only. In mine it'll still change up >> and down when it pleases even in manual mode. It just holds onto the >> revs a bit longer before it does so or before I change it myself. >> Makes the whole thing a bit of a pointless feature check list >> exercise really. > > I've never owned an auto with a 'tiptronic' type of manual change. I > know several people who do, however, and they never use it. What is the > point of having an automatic gearbox and then changing gear manually? Because no auto box is perfect and if you want to get the best performance/economy and minimise wear and tear, especially to the brakes, you need to over-ride it sometimes. The problem with all automatics is they can only react to situations, where good drivers will plan. I thought you would have known all this, being an ex-Police driver and all that. Although, to be honest, I'd rate my own driving as better than a lot of the Police advanced drivers I've met. The problem with a lot of Police Drivers is they may get the best training, but they don't always get enough actual driving experience.
From: Steve Firth on 17 Jun 2010 17:35 Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > And if you find that the automatic box changes gear at a time when you > > wouldn't change, and you end up "fighting" the box, then manual override > > could be useful. It's an example of a fundamental law of technology: > > anything which is automated should have a manual override for the times > > when the automatic "brain" gets it wrong. > > *ding* > > Not to mention that I can see a bit further down the road than the 'box > can. OTOH the current Jag autoboxes are astonishing. OK they can't see ahead, but they drive as if they could.
From: Adrian on 17 Jun 2010 17:49
%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > OTOH the current Jag autoboxes are astonishing. OK they can't see ahead, > but they drive as if they could. A friend of mine tried to flog me a Jag a few years back. Very tempted, I was. Utterly tidy s3 XJ6. But... Manual box and cloth interior. I could have lived with either of 'em alone. Probably. But the combination...? |