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From: Brimstone on 15 Jun 2010 08:52 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4c17737b$0$6156$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:YYSdnblC37nj_orRnZ2dnUVZ7oKdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c17610e$0$6195$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:_ZydnaQT8ovdw4rRnZ2dnUVZ7rGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> >>>> <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >>>> news:hv7lcf$nq0$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:27:27 +0100 >>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>If you didn't make such stupid responses to simple statements of fact >>>>>>then >>>>>>you wouldn't get the reactions that you do. >>>>> >>>>> Its not a statement of fact. >>>> >>>> In what way is "A fitter is a highly skilled tradesman trained to make >>>> new parts." not a simple statement of facts. >>>> >>>>>The word is used by most people to describe >>>>> a person who "fits" parts. >>>> >>>> Only in the context of motor vehicles. Most people are also aware that >>>> modern "mechanics" do not have the skills of their predecessors. >>>> >>>>>>Fitters don't/didn't work in tatty back street garages. As I said, >>>>>>they're >>>>>>highly trained tradesman/craftsman. >>>>> >>>>> So where do they work then? Do tell. Because they're certainly not >>>>> down at >>>>> any main dealers I've been to. Are they at the company HQs busily >>>>> designing >>>>> and building prototypes? No, that would be designers and engineers. >>>>> Are >>>>> they on the production line perhaps bolting bits of car together then? >>>>> >>>> Fitter work in all areas of engineering. They are the people who make >>>> things. >>> >>> My twopenneth: >>> >>> A cleaner cleans things. >>> A driver drives things. >>> A manufacturer manufactuers things. >>> A parts engineer engineers parts. >>> A parts fitter fits parts. >>> A fitter doesn't make parts. >> You're wrong. >> >> http://www.dtwd.wa.gov.au/apprenticentre/detcms/apprenticeships-and-training/apprenticentre/program-descriptors/apprenticeships/metals-manufacturing-and-services/mechanical-fitter.en?oid=com.arsdigita.cms.contenttypes.ProgramDescriptor-id-323038 > > Another war of words! That link does indeed demonstrate that "mechanical > fitters" in some areas do make parts for machinery, but AIUI we're talking > about garage 'fitters', not mechanical fitters. > Garage fitters don't exist anymore. Cars aren't designed for parts to be repaired, only for parts to be changed. > my short phrase above didn't clearly name these people, but this is who I > was refering to as 'fitters' - the people who fit exhausts, fan belts, > batteries etc at local garages - they certainly don't make the exhausts, > belts, batteries etc in the garage, then fit them. The order them from > parts shops and fit them when they arrive. Perhaps they should be called > 'car part orderers, box openers and fitters'! The term "swap-jockey" already covers the job description.
From: Ret. on 15 Jun 2010 08:56 Adrian wrote: > "Nkosi (ama-ecosse)" <minankosi(a)googlemail.com> gurgled happily, > sounding much like they were saying: > >> Modern cars get serviced at 2 to 3 year interval mostly, I have to >> not so modern ones 1999 and 2001 and they both have manufacturers >> service intervals of 15000 miles, that takes around a year and a >> half to two years to reach. > > I'd be astonished if that service interval did not also have a > time-based counterpart. I agree. My 75 has the standard BMW service counter. The rough guide is a service every 15k miles or 12months, whichever is the sooner. Depending upon the type of vehicle use, the mileage counter may count down faster and with a lot of short journeys the mileage interval can come down to less than 12k miles. Since I retired I have been covering a little over 10k per year and so my services have been every 12 months. -- Kev
From: Ret. on 15 Jun 2010 09:00 GT wrote: > "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:87p660FpkU17(a)mid.individual.net... >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> >>>>> This is the last service done under warranty. The car is >>>>> thoroughly checked and a few warranty items are replaced. As the >>>>> car was as good as new after this final warranty service >> >>>> Eh? It's now a 3yo, 30k mile car. The fact it has a full history >>>> does not mean it's "as good as new". >> >>> Nothing to do with the service history, but the fact that all worn >>> parts have been replaced under warranty, so from that respect the >>> car is as good as new. >> >> Since when did a warranty cover normal wear & tear items? Never. It >> covers manufacturing and material defects only. >> >>>>> He has a full record of all services and all work done, so there >>>>> is no disputing that it is a full history of all services done, >>>>> but as it does not exactly comply with the manufacturers >>>>> recommended service interval, is this a "Full Service History" or >>>>> not? Its certainly not a partial service history or plain >>>>> "service history". >> >>>> It is not FSH. The car's servicing has been consistently lagging >>>> behind the schedule for over half it's life. >> >>> But the service history is full - it might not have been all on >>> schedule and might not comply with the manufacturer's >>> recommendations, but the record history is full - as in nothing >>> missing! >> >> See my other reply. What's the important bit - the paperwork or the >> servicing? > > Important to who and in what context?? > > This discussion is about the term Full Service History - the paper > record of all servicing. A full record of all work done to a car is > the important bit - a buyer needs to know when the timing belt, spark > plugs etc > were last replaced - in other words, when was the *last* service > done. In some respects the history of services is actually not too > important - its simply an indicator as to whether the owner looked > after the car or not. One of my brothers in law never believed in regular servicing. He owned a Sierra for many years that he never had serviced and only ever topped up the oil - never replaced it. If it went wrong (which it rarely did) he would get it fixed - but beyond that he did nothing to it. He traded it when it had over 100k on the clock and it was still running well! -- Kev
From: GT on 15 Jun 2010 09:02 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u7ednf5H04A96orRnZ2dnUVZ8vadnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4c17737b$0$6156$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:YYSdnblC37nj_orRnZ2dnUVZ7oKdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> >>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>> news:4c17610e$0$6195$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:_ZydnaQT8ovdw4rRnZ2dnUVZ7rGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>> >>>>> <boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >>>>> news:hv7lcf$nq0$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:27:27 +0100 >>>>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>If you didn't make such stupid responses to simple statements of fact >>>>>>>then >>>>>>>you wouldn't get the reactions that you do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Its not a statement of fact. >>>>> >>>>> In what way is "A fitter is a highly skilled tradesman trained to make >>>>> new parts." not a simple statement of facts. >>>>> >>>>>>The word is used by most people to describe >>>>>> a person who "fits" parts. >>>>> >>>>> Only in the context of motor vehicles. Most people are also aware that >>>>> modern "mechanics" do not have the skills of their predecessors. >>>>> >>>>>>>Fitters don't/didn't work in tatty back street garages. As I said, >>>>>>>they're >>>>>>>highly trained tradesman/craftsman. >>>>>> >>>>>> So where do they work then? Do tell. Because they're certainly not >>>>>> down at >>>>>> any main dealers I've been to. Are they at the company HQs busily >>>>>> designing >>>>>> and building prototypes? No, that would be designers and engineers. >>>>>> Are >>>>>> they on the production line perhaps bolting bits of car together >>>>>> then? >>>>>> >>>>> Fitter work in all areas of engineering. They are the people who make >>>>> things. >>>> >>>> My twopenneth: >>>> >>>> A cleaner cleans things. >>>> A driver drives things. >>>> A manufacturer manufactuers things. >>>> A parts engineer engineers parts. >>>> A parts fitter fits parts. >>>> A fitter doesn't make parts. >>> You're wrong. >>> >>> http://www.dtwd.wa.gov.au/apprenticentre/detcms/apprenticeships-and-training/apprenticentre/program-descriptors/apprenticeships/metals-manufacturing-and-services/mechanical-fitter.en?oid=com.arsdigita.cms.contenttypes.ProgramDescriptor-id-323038 >> >> Another war of words! That link does indeed demonstrate that "mechanical >> fitters" in some areas do make parts for machinery, but AIUI we're >> talking about garage 'fitters', not mechanical fitters. >> > Garage fitters don't exist anymore. Cars aren't designed for parts to be > repaired, only for parts to be changed. By a parts fitter! >> my short phrase above didn't clearly name these people, but this is who >> I was refering to as 'fitters' - the people who fit exhausts, fan belts, >> batteries etc at local garages - they certainly don't make the exhausts, >> belts, batteries etc in the garage, then fit them. The order them from >> parts shops and fit them when they arrive. Perhaps they should be called >> 'car part orderers, box openers and fitters'! > > The term "swap-jockey" already covers the job description. I don't think this term is really used in job descriptions, more by disgruntled halfords and kwik-fit customers!
From: Ret. on 15 Jun 2010 09:04
Adrian wrote: > "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >>> See my other reply. What's the important bit - the paperwork or the >>> servicing? > >> Important to who and in what context?? > > To a potential buyer of the car. > >> This discussion is about the term Full Service History - the paper >> record of all servicing. > > Hmm. So you're saying the paperwork is more important than the work it > documents? > >> A full record of all work done to a car is the important bit > > I would have said the work is more important. And you have no proof of that, no matter what documentation you have... > >> - a buyer needs to know when the timing belt, spark plugs >> etc were last replaced - in other words, when was the *last* service >> done. > > Quite. The service without the paperwork carries value. The paperwork > merely demonstrates that value. Ostensibly it does - in practice... > >> In some respects the history of services is actually not too >> important - its simply an indicator as to whether the owner looked >> after the car or not. > > Again, the work itself is the important factor. The paperwork is > simply a convenient way of demonstrating the work was carried out. But is certainly no proof of whether the work was carried out or not. -- Kev |