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From: Nick Finnigan on 15 Jun 2010 12:38 Ret. wrote: > Adrian wrote: >> Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like >> they were saying: >> >> >> If it needs to be explained, I fear for the quality of "servicing" >> Kev is doing. Still, his Chinese teflonFreds fit nicely into that >> first point, Nick... It needs to be explained. > And, of course, it's utterly unknown for a trader to put new tyres on a > second hand car? And that is a big clue as to how the car was maintained. As is a steam clean. As is fresh underseal. > What on earth has the condition of the pads and disks > got to do with the price of bread? If they are worn beyond limits, warn unevenly, new on one side, badly lipped, sticking ... the car has not been well maintained. If they are grooved and drilled the car has been pimped. > I can tell you now that my front pads are two/thirds worn and the front > disks are within 1mm of the minimum width. When I next replace the pads > I will also replace the disks. But what would the condition of those > pads/disks tell a prospective purchaser? Nothing at all that's what. That the car has been maintained reasonably. > And, again, what does 'looking at' the suspension and steering tell you? > I suppose if someone has been off-roading in his Ford Focus there might > be some obvious signs of damage - but otherwise a visual inspection will > tell you nothing. In any case - how many prospective buyers are capable > of going to those lengths? Hardly any; so garages don't tart them up; so they give those of us capable of looking a clue. > I tell you again that the Federal tyres I have on my car are turning out > to be excellent. They are wearing well and uniformally, are extremely Matching tyres with uniform wear is also a big clue for good maintenance.
From: Brimstone on 15 Jun 2010 12:39 "Mortimer" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:MpmdnWqIrY6dNorRnZ2dnUVZ8s2dnZ2d(a)brightview.co.uk... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:u7ednf5H04A96orRnZ2dnUVZ8vadnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4c17737b$0$6156$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > >>>> http://www.dtwd.wa.gov.au/apprenticentre/detcms/apprenticeships-and-training/apprenticentre/program-descriptors/apprenticeships/metals-manufacturing-and-services/mechanical-fitter.en?oid=com.arsdigita.cms.contenttypes.ProgramDescriptor-id-323038 >>> >>> Another war of words! That link does indeed demonstrate that "mechanical >>> fitters" in some areas do make parts for machinery, but AIUI we're >>> talking about garage 'fitters', not mechanical fitters. >>> >> Garage fitters don't exist anymore. Cars aren't designed for parts to be >> repaired, only for parts to be changed. > > I've never heard the word "fitter" to mean a person who *makes* parts, > only to mean a person who fits them ("fitter - one who fits") - a "garage > fitter" in the sense that GT meant it. > > I can see where the confusion lies: "fitter" for a person who makes (eg > machines) parts is a misnomer. See my other post in which there is a link to a description of a fitter's job.
From: Adrian on 15 Jun 2010 12:59 Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > As is fresh underseal. Is it the 1960s again already?
From: Nick Finnigan on 15 Jun 2010 13:06 Adrian wrote: > Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they > were saying: > >> As is fresh underseal. > > Is it the 1960s again already? Honest. I can't remember which car, but it was made this century.
From: Ret. on 15 Jun 2010 14:06
Adrian wrote: > "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >>>> Well then you are wrong then as we have documentation for every >>>> service carried out on the vehicle so the service history is a full >>>> one, not a partial service history, but a full complete record. >>>> There would have to be something missing for the history not to be >>>> full. > >>> There is. The services the car didn't get. > >> We are going round in circles and we both intelligent enough to >> realise it, but stubborn enough to keep running. I think the word >> 'full' refers to the fact that the documentation is a full history. >> You think the word full implies that the documentation should show >> that the car has been serviced according to guidelines. My >> interpretation follows the standard definition of a 'full history' >> of something, your intepretation follows the "salesman's >> interpretation" that the servicing for the vehicle is fully >> complient with guidelines. We are both right and we are both wrong. >> >> That a fair summary? > > No. > > I would have said that, in the specific context of a record of the > maintenance a used car has had, my interpretation followed the > standard definition in use by damn near everybody for decades. > >> Oh, and my advert would read... >> >> "2002 Alfa Romeo 2.0JTS. One careful owner. FSH. > > Which doesn't distinguish your car which has had every recommended > service from one that might only have seen the inside of a workshop > once from new. > > You might also like to say what model of Alfa it is... There are always matters arising which complicate the issue. My son changed his car today. For the past five years he has been driving a 'P' reg 2.0 litre petrol auto Passat. I tried to put him off buying when he saw it five years ago but he had his heart set on it. Apart from the thirst of the thing, it has been abysmally unreliable and has cost him a lot of money in repairs. He traded it in today for a '55' plate Toyota Corolla 1.6 VVTi manual which should prove to be both economical and reliable. The Toyota is immaculate and looks like new both inside and out. It has just 28k on the clock. The story is that it was owned by an old gent who lived across the road from the garage. He has been ill for over 18 months and is very unlikely to drive again so his wife asked the garage if they would buy the car off them. The car has a full Toyota service history - but the final one was in January 2009. It should have been serviced in January this year of course - but bearing in mind it has only done 221 miles since January 2009, that is largely academic. The selling dealer did an oil service today and stamped the book but, by your 'rules', this car does not have a FSH. -- Kev |