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From: Man at B&Q on 15 Jun 2010 05:44 On Jun 15, 10:21 am, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:53:47 +0100 > > "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> most "mechanics" nowadays, are just "fitters". > > >A fitter is a highly skilled tradesman trained to make new parts. > > Unless they've got some lathes and presses in the back room how exactly does > he go about doing that? Even insignificant cars parts are made to micrometre > tolerances these days. Theres no way I'd want a "fitter" plonking something > he'd knocked up on his Black & Decker in my car. That's just a further example of why "fitter" is a totally inappropriate term wrt modern cars. MBQ
From: Ret. on 15 Jun 2010 05:44 bod wrote: > Ret. wrote: >> bod wrote: >>> Ret. wrote: >>>> bod wrote: >>>>> Adrian wrote: >>>>>> bod <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like >>>>>> they were saying: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If a seller states that a car has FSH and then you check it >>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>> and it hasn't, then you simply avoid buying 'anything' from >>>>>>>>> that seller....simple. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> But if FSH just means "All the paperwork for the handful of >>>>>>>> maintenance I've ever bothered giving it" - as, it seems, it >>>>>>>> does when selling - then surely there's no problem? >>>>>> >>>>>>> But a FSH to me, means a full service at least yearly >>>>>> >>>>>> "at least yearly"? Bear in mind that modern service schedules are >>>>>> often 20k miles or two years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can we agree on "to the schedule"? >>>>>> >>>>>>> besides of course any other repairs/maintenance etc, in >>>>>>> addition. If the history falls short of that criteria, then it >>>>>>> cannot be >>>>>>> classed as full, IMO. >>>>>> >>>>>> So you're agreeing with me that Kev's friend is a deliberately >>>>>> disingenous slug? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd certainly agree that he was being disingenuous, yes. >>>> >>>> Without any formal definition of 'FSH' I cannot see how you can >>>> claim that. If car salesmen want specific information - then they >>>> should both ask for that specific information - and check it prior >>>> to creating a contract. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Shouldn't 'Full' mean what it says on the tin? >> >> Which brings me back to the heading of the thread. If a ten year old >> car has only had three services during its life - but the book has >> been stamped, and invoices kept, of those services - then the car >> has a full service history. There is a record of every service it >> has had... Without an official definition of FSH - it can be interpreted >> in >> several different ways - as that link elsewhere on the thread makes >> clear. If a salesman wants to know whether the trade-in has received >> regular >> scheduled services according to manufacturer's recommendations, and >> carried out by a dealer or independent garage - then he should >> request that information clearly and precisely. >> >> My car has been serviced since new meticulously according to the >> manufacturer's recommendations - and to a far higher standard than at >> any garage - by myself. Each service has been recorded and receipts >> kept. If a salesman asks me if the car has a 'FSH' - then I don't >> really see why I should have to answer anything other than 'yes' - >> because it *does* have a FSH. >> >> > > But there's the problem Kev, because you've done most of the > services, you're car has not got a 'proven' FSH. And, quite frankly, neither does a car that has been regularly serviced in a garage. The book may be stamped - but that does *not* mean that a proper and effective service has been carried out. Read any review into garage servicing (such as the ones that Which? carry out every now and again) and weep. I have enough experience of appalling garage work to know that standards are terrible. > > You may have done it to a high standard, but you don't have those > magic franked documents to prove it was done on schedule etc. I have dated receipts showing when the parts were purchased. > > Although I don't doubt your sincerity regarding the servicing, you > don't have a complete set of records to qualify it as FSH > (technically). We're back to: "What is a FSH?" It can mean anything anyone wants it to mean... -- Kev
From: Ret. on 15 Jun 2010 05:47 bod wrote: > Ret. wrote: >> bod wrote: >>> Mortimer wrote: >>>> "bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:87nj8gFrg4U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>> But a FSH to me, means a full service at least yearly, besides of >>>>> course any other repairs/maintenance etc, in addition. >>>>> >>>>> If the history falls short of that criteria, then it cannot be >>>>> classed as full, IMO. >>>> >>>> Yes, I'd class FSH as being serviced according to the published >>>> schedule - every x thousand miles and/or every y months - together >>>> with details of any other work that might have been required in >>>> between services, due to unexpected failure/wear such as clutch, >>>> fan belt, brakes. >>> >>> Yes, you've put it more eloquently than me. Totally agree. >> >> Nothing there about *who* carries out the work. So I take it that you >> would agree that properly carried out DIY servicing also constitutes >> a FSH - without any need for the 'trader-in' to explain that? >> >> > > It's those magic stamps/franks from a garage that normally > constitutes a 'proven' FSH, IMO. See my comments elsewhere. The general standard of garage servicing is so poor that stamps/franks from a garage 'prove' nothing - apart from the fact that someone has stamped the book. -- Kev
From: GT on 15 Jun 2010 05:59 "bod" <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:87oo9pFmh4U1(a)mid.individual.net... > Ret. wrote: >> bod wrote: >>> Ret. wrote: >>>> bod wrote: >>>>> Adrian wrote: >>>>>> bod <bodron57(a)tiscali.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like >>>>>> they were saying: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If a seller states that a car has FSH and then you check it >>>>>>>>> personally >>>>>>>>> and it hasn't, then you simply avoid buying 'anything' from that >>>>>>>>> seller....simple. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> But if FSH just means "All the paperwork for the handful of >>>>>>>> maintenance I've ever bothered giving it" - as, it seems, it does >>>>>>>> when selling - then surely there's no problem? >>>>>> >>>>>>> But a FSH to me, means a full service at least yearly >>>>>> >>>>>> "at least yearly"? Bear in mind that modern service schedules are >>>>>> often 20k miles or two years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can we agree on "to the schedule"? >>>>>> >>>>>>> besides of course any other repairs/maintenance etc, in addition. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the history falls short of that criteria, then it cannot be >>>>>>> classed as full, IMO. >>>>>> >>>>>> So you're agreeing with me that Kev's friend is a deliberately >>>>>> disingenous slug? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd certainly agree that he was being disingenuous, yes. >>>> >>>> Without any formal definition of 'FSH' I cannot see how you can claim >>>> that. If car salesmen want specific information - then they should >>>> both ask for that specific information - and check it prior to >>>> creating a contract. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Shouldn't 'Full' mean what it says on the tin? >> >> Which brings me back to the heading of the thread. If a ten year old car >> has only had three services during its life - but the book has been >> stamped, and invoices kept, of those services - then the car has a full >> service history. There is a record of every service it has had... >> >> Without an official definition of FSH - it can be interpreted in several >> different ways - as that link elsewhere on the thread makes clear. >> >> If a salesman wants to know whether the trade-in has received regular >> scheduled services according to manufacturer's recommendations, and >> carried out by a dealer or independent garage - then he should request >> that information clearly and precisely. >> >> My car has been serviced since new meticulously according to the >> manufacturer's recommendations - and to a far higher standard than at any >> garage - by myself. Each service has been recorded and receipts kept. If >> a salesman asks me if the car has a 'FSH' - then I don't really see why I >> should have to answer anything other than 'yes' - because it *does* have >> a FSH. > > But there's the problem Kev, because you've done most of the services, > you're car has not got a 'proven' FSH. Aha - a 'proven' FSH. Is that different to a FSH? How do you prove a service history. > You may have done it to a high standard, but you don't have those magic > franked documents to prove it was done on schedule etc. > > Although I don't doubt your sincerity regarding the servicing, you don't > have a complete set of records to qualify it as FSH (technically). I believe he has a record of all servicing done to the car along with dates and costs. The history is full - as in 'nothing missing'. So its not an incomplete service history (AKA "Service History"), but this full history of the car's servicing sounds like a 'Full Service History' to me!
From: Brimstone on 15 Jun 2010 06:06
<boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message news:hv7gm5$don$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:53:47 +0100 > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> most "mechanics" nowadays, are just "fitters". >>> >>A fitter is a highly skilled tradesman trained to make new parts. > > Unless they've got some lathes and presses in the back room how exactly > does > he go about doing that? Even insignificant cars parts are made to > micrometre > tolerances these days. Theres no way I'd want a "fitter" plonking > something > he'd knocked up on his Black & Decker in my car. > Yet again, you insist on demonstrating to the world that you're complete tosser with no understanding of anything outside your own area of activity, not even basic English. |