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From: boltar2003 on 15 Jun 2010 06:41 On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:27:27 +0100 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >If you didn't make such stupid responses to simple statements of fact then >you wouldn't get the reactions that you do. Its not a statement of fact. The word is used by most people to describe a person who "fits" parts. >Fitters don't/didn't work in tatty back street garages. As I said, they're >highly trained tradesman/craftsman. So where do they work then? Do tell. Because they're certainly not down at any main dealers I've been to. Are they at the company HQs busily designing and building prototypes? No, that would be designers and engineers. Are they on the production line perhaps bolting bits of car together then? B2003
From: Ret. on 15 Jun 2010 06:46 Adrian wrote: > "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >>> Although I don't doubt your sincerity regarding the servicing, you >>> don't have a complete set of records to qualify it as FSH >>> (technically). > >> I believe he has a record of all servicing done to the car along with >> dates and costs. > > The question is only one of trustworthiness. > > Kev clearly doesn't trust garages. > I rather suspect that the vast majority of the motor trade would find > a garage's stamp more trustworthy than a self-cert & DIY from some > random owner. And there lies the problem of course. I am a trained aircraft mechanic and I have serviced my own motorbikes and cars (and those of my family) since I was 16 years of age. Despite this, a salesman is more likely to trust a trainee at a dealership to have done a good job, than me. -- Kev
From: Adrian on 15 Jun 2010 06:52 "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Can I suggest we discuss the following example based upon a new > car with 3 year warranty and a 12k or 12month service interval. The > driver clocks up slightly below average mileage, but its 'healthy' > motorway miles, so the car is not subjected to around town wear-and-tear > and short journey faults: > > After 11 months it goes in for its first service with just 10,000 miles > on the clock. The service is 1 month early as the garage had I presume you mean some kind of special offer. Fine. It's been serviced a tad early. No problem, but that sets the expectation for the next service. > At 2 years old (23 months), it goes in for its second (24k) service, > but has only 21,000 miles on the clock. 12mo since previous service, so it's due. No prob. > At 3 years old (35 months), it goes in for its 36k service, but has only > 30,000 miles on the clock. Again, 12mo since previous service, it's due. Again, no prob. > This is the last service done under warranty. The car is thoroughly > checked and a few warranty items are replaced. As the car was as good as > new after this final warranty service Eh? It's now a 3yo, 30k mile car. The fact it has a full history does not mean it's "as good as new". > the owner then drives the car for more than a year so... > > The 4th (48k) service takes at 50 months old and 45,000 miles. 15k and 15mo since previous service. Overdue on both counts. FSH is now out the window. It has service history, but no longer full. > The 5th (60k) service happens at 66 months old and 58,000 miles (6 > months after schedule, but 2,000 miles under schedule). Nope. 16mo & 13k since previous service. Overdue on both counts. > The 6th (72k) service happens at 80 months old and 69,000 miles (8 > months after schedule, but 3,000 miles under schedule Mileage is irrelevant. It's 14 mo since previous service. Overdue. > He has a full record of all services and all work done, so there is no > disputing that it is a full history of all services done, but as it does > not exactly comply with the manufacturers recommended service interval, > is this a "Full Service History" or not? Its certainly not a partial > service history or plain "service history". It is not FSH. The car's servicing has been consistently lagging behind the schedule for over half it's life.
From: GT on 15 Jun 2010 07:02 "Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:87p4btFpkU14(a)mid.individual.net... > "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > >> Can I suggest we discuss the following example based upon a new >> car with 3 year warranty and a 12k or 12month service interval. The >> driver clocks up slightly below average mileage, but its 'healthy' >> motorway miles, so the car is not subjected to around town wear-and-tear >> and short journey faults: >> >> After 11 months it goes in for its first service with just 10,000 miles >> on the clock. The service is 1 month early as the garage had > > I presume you mean some kind of special offer. Fine. It's been serviced a > tad early. No problem, but that sets the expectation for the next service. > >> At 2 years old (23 months), it goes in for its second (24k) service, >> but has only 21,000 miles on the clock. > > 12mo since previous service, so it's due. No prob. > >> At 3 years old (35 months), it goes in for its 36k service, but has only >> 30,000 miles on the clock. > > Again, 12mo since previous service, it's due. Again, no prob. > >> This is the last service done under warranty. The car is thoroughly >> checked and a few warranty items are replaced. As the car was as good as >> new after this final warranty service > > Eh? It's now a 3yo, 30k mile car. The fact it has a full history does not > mean it's "as good as new". Nothing to do with the service history, but the fact that all worn parts have been replaced under warranty, so from that respect the car is as good as new. >> the owner then drives the car for more than a year so... >> >> The 4th (48k) service takes at 50 months old and 45,000 miles. > > 15k and 15mo since previous service. Overdue on both counts. FSH is now > out the window. It has service history, but no longer full. I should say that I actually agree with what you are saying - the car has not been serviced as per the manufacturer's recommendations, but nothing has been lost to make it not a full history of all services? >> The 5th (60k) service happens at 66 months old and 58,000 miles (6 >> months after schedule, but 2,000 miles under schedule). > > Nope. 16mo & 13k since previous service. Overdue on both counts. Agreed - overdue, but the history of servicing is still full. >> The 6th (72k) service happens at 80 months old and 69,000 miles (8 >> months after schedule, but 3,000 miles under schedule > > Mileage is irrelevant. It's 14 mo since previous service. Overdue. > >> He has a full record of all services and all work done, so there is no >> disputing that it is a full history of all services done, but as it does >> not exactly comply with the manufacturers recommended service interval, >> is this a "Full Service History" or not? Its certainly not a partial >> service history or plain "service history". > > It is not FSH. The car's servicing has been consistently lagging behind > the schedule for over half it's life. But the service history is full - it might not have been all on schedule and might not comply with the manufacturer's recommendations, but the record history is full - as in nothing missing!
From: Brimstone on 15 Jun 2010 07:04
<boltar2003(a)boltar.world> wrote in message news:hv7lcf$nq0$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:27:27 +0100 > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>If you didn't make such stupid responses to simple statements of fact then >>you wouldn't get the reactions that you do. > > Its not a statement of fact. In what way is "A fitter is a highly skilled tradesman trained to make new parts." not a simple statement of facts. >The word is used by most people to describe > a person who "fits" parts. Only in the context of motor vehicles. Most people are also aware that modern "mechanics" do not have the skills of their predecessors. >>Fitters don't/didn't work in tatty back street garages. As I said, they're >>highly trained tradesman/craftsman. > > So where do they work then? Do tell. Because they're certainly not down at > any main dealers I've been to. Are they at the company HQs busily > designing > and building prototypes? No, that would be designers and engineers. Are > they on the production line perhaps bolting bits of car together then? > Fitter work in all areas of engineering. They are the people who make things. Stop trying to drag the rest of the world down to your own level of ignorance. |