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From: Harry Bloomfield on 29 Jul 2010 12:50
I happened to be watching the driver of a small silver car ahead of me
in L1, on a busy urban dual carriageway, with roundabouts and turn
off's etc..

The fun started, when a white transit driver alongside him in L2
started drifting over into L1. Obviously he had not seen the car in his
blind spot, but then panicked when its driver blew his horn. Just a few
yards further, again with car alongside - a flat back lorry in L2
started indicating then started to move over to L1, same squeak from
the cars horn and I suppose lucky the lorry driver managed to hear it
above the noise in the cab. Then a little further on a BMW in L2
signalled to move to L1, with yet another squeak from the little car in
L1's horn.

You might think after the first lesson in placing oneself directly
along side another vehicle, especially where there is lots of lane
changing - he might have picked up a few clues. At least by his third
incident, he had started to keep an eye on their indicators.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk


From: Tim Downie on 29 Jul 2010 13:07
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
> I happened to be watching the driver of a small silver car ahead of me
> in L1, on a busy urban dual carriageway, with roundabouts and turn
> off's etc..
>
> The fun started, when a white transit driver alongside him in L2
> started drifting over into L1. Obviously he had not seen the car in
> his blind spot, but then panicked when its driver blew his horn. Just
> a few yards further, again with car alongside - a flat back lorry in
> L2 started indicating then started to move over to L1, same squeak
> from the cars horn and I suppose lucky the lorry driver managed to
> hear it above the noise in the cab. Then a little further on a BMW in
> L2 signalled to move to L1, with yet another squeak from the little
> car in L1's horn.
>
> You might think after the first lesson in placing oneself directly
> along side another vehicle, especially where there is lots of lane
> changing - he might have picked up a few clues. At least by his third
> incident, he had started to keep an eye on their indicators.

Well I suppose it depends on who "placed" themselves where but I would have
said generally the onus is on the drivers in L2 to avoid vehicles on their
left.

Tim

From: Ian Jackson on 29 Jul 2010 14:58
In message <foe356t0slrr5s6fbfd93nhe0rjsam7ta0(a)4ax.com>, Anthony R. Gold
<not-for-mail(a)ahjg.co.uk> writes
>On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:07:20 +0100, "Tim Downie" <timdownie2003(a)yahoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>> Well I suppose it depends on who "placed" themselves where but I would have
>> said generally the onus is on the drivers in L2 to avoid vehicles on their
>> left.
>
>I would have said that the onus is always on any driver in any lane when they
>either choose or are forced to move to any other lane.
>
I'm not quite sure what you are suggesting.

I'm guessing that the L2 traffic was in L2 because it was tending to be
moving faster than the small silver car. If so, then L1 is exactly where
the small silver car should have been. All the L2 drivers should have
been aware of its presence.

If L1 was relatively empty wrt L2, and the small silver car was tending
to be 'undertaking' the L2 traffic, the L2 drivers might understandably
have been taken unawares when it sneaked up beside them, on their left.
Nevertheless, they should not have tried to move to L1 without knowing
that it was safe to do so. Being small and silver does not mean you have
no right to exist!
--
Ian
From: Harry Bloomfield on 29 Jul 2010 16:32
Tim Downie pretended :
> Well I suppose it depends on who "placed" themselves where but I would have
> said generally the onus is on the drivers in L2 to avoid vehicles on their
> left.

The small car in L1 definitely seemed to place himself in the dangerous
blind spot. I agree it is up to those in L2 to make sure there is
nothing there, but if they could not see the car in their NS mirror....

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk


From: Harry Bloomfield on 29 Jul 2010 16:46
Ian Jackson pretended :
> If L1 was relatively empty wrt L2, and the small silver car was tending to be
> 'undertaking' the L2 traffic, the L2 drivers might understandably have been
> taken unawares when it sneaked up beside them, on their left. Nevertheless,
> they should not have tried to move to L1 without knowing that it was safe to
> do so. Being small and silver does not mean you have no right to exist!

True, but experience suggests you take great care to avoid driving
alongside another vehicle, especially one where the driver might not be
able to see you in his mirrors.

L2 was full of vehicles, there was good gap ahead of the silver car -
due to him always being somewhat slower upto speed than L2. Then he
would tend to match speed with the vehicles in L2, but alongside them
and in their blind spot.

He really needed to be taught not to sit alongside and to always make
sure he wasn't in a blind spot, rather than using his horn so much in
panic. After it happened once, I thought the lesson might have been
taken on board. There will always be one driver who assumes it is clear
and changes back into L1 not quite so slowly as the three he blew his
horn at.

--
Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk


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