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From: Brimstone on 5 May 2010 11:32 "Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:pss2u5h5k7lbcps8s27tsqa5qsvugojbf0(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 5 May 2010 13:14:41 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: >>"Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>news:cnc2u5pfn32j5bghqnt714u47jit0rs1pg(a)4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 5 May 2010 07:49:33 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>"Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>news:np01u5da0h7vblj2ihemjid6oiiv14l36d(a)4ax.com... >> >>>>> People attempting to "smooth out the flow", simply slow the progress >>>>> of the jam and make it worse than it needs to be. They also invariably >>>>> get people swapping lanes in front of them. It's like how everyone who >>>>> slows to rubberneck thinks they're only causing a fractional delay. >>>>> >>>>How do you know, have you ever done it? >>> >>> You don't have to do something in order to observe it. >> >>There's no substitute for experience > > I have experience of observing it, ROFLMAO > both of being behind someone who is > doing it and in an adjacent lane to someone who is doing it. In order > to determine the effects of a behaviour, it is not important that I'm > the one exhibiting the behaviour. In fact, it may well be detrimental. Since when has improving the traffic flow as well as reducing the wear and tear and thus the fuel of a car been detrimental?
From: ChelseaTractorMan on 5 May 2010 12:16 On Wed, 5 May 2010 16:32:01 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > In fact, it may well be detrimental. > >Since when has improving the traffic flow as well as reducing the wear and >tear and thus the fuel of a car been detrimental? I think he means detrimental to the observation. I think pressing forward every odd yard is no help to anyone and having some gaps available should emergency services suddenly arrive from behind helps people manoeuvre, but "10 seconds" will leave you making the person behind annoyed and people will pull into the space. -- Mike. .. . Gone beyond the ultimate driving machine.
From: Ed Chilada on 5 May 2010 14:21 On Wed, 05 May 2010 17:16:46 +0100, ChelseaTractorMan <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >On Wed, 5 May 2010 16:32:01 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> >wrote: > >> In fact, it may well be detrimental. >> >>Since when has improving the traffic flow as well as reducing the wear and >>tear and thus the fuel of a car been detrimental? > >I think he means detrimental to the observation. Yes you're right I did. Quite clearly too. > I think pressing >forward every odd yard is no help to anyone and having some gaps >available should emergency services suddenly arrive from behind helps >people manoeuvre, but "10 seconds" will leave you making the person >behind annoyed and people will pull into the space. Yes, I agree. There's obviously a happy medium, but in most of the stop/start traffic I ever see, it would be overkill to keep putting your car in neutral and putting the handbrake on every time you stopped.
From: Ed Chilada on 5 May 2010 14:22
On Wed, 5 May 2010 16:32:01 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >"Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >news:pss2u5h5k7lbcps8s27tsqa5qsvugojbf0(a)4ax.com... >> On Wed, 5 May 2010 13:14:41 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >>>"Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>news:cnc2u5pfn32j5bghqnt714u47jit0rs1pg(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Wed, 5 May 2010 07:49:33 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Ed Chilada" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:np01u5da0h7vblj2ihemjid6oiiv14l36d(a)4ax.com... >>> >>>>>> People attempting to "smooth out the flow", simply slow the progress >>>>>> of the jam and make it worse than it needs to be. They also invariably >>>>>> get people swapping lanes in front of them. It's like how everyone who >>>>>> slows to rubberneck thinks they're only causing a fractional delay. >>>>>> >>>>>How do you know, have you ever done it? >>>> >>>> You don't have to do something in order to observe it. >>> >>>There's no substitute for experience >> >> I have experience of observing it, > >ROFLMAO Huh? >> both of being behind someone who is >> doing it and in an adjacent lane to someone who is doing it. In order >> to determine the effects of a behaviour, it is not important that I'm >> the one exhibiting the behaviour. In fact, it may well be detrimental. > >Since when has improving the traffic flow as well as reducing the wear and >tear and thus the fuel of a car been detrimental? I meant detrimental to the quality of observation, as Mike seemed to have no trouble understanding. |