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From: Dave Head on 5 Jul 2010 19:50 On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:26:34 -0500, Jim Yanik <jyanik(a)abuse.gov> wrote: >The communists have subverted the environmental movement to aid their >nefarious goals. Glenn Beck was relating how he got to talk to some communist party big-wigs and got them to talk about what they would do if they got power. They intend to pretty much take over industry, re-educate everyone they think needs it in large concentration camps in the desert southwest. Those that would not learn, who they expect to be the capotalists themselves, would be exterminated. He said the guy said they thought they would end up having to kill about 25 million hardcore capitalists. I e-mailed him and told him about the 250 million guns in private hands in this country, and we of the NRA know that they are not about hunting, and that we "got your 6" on this issue...
From: Larry G on 5 Jul 2010 20:21 On Jul 5, 7:13 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:45:35 -0700 (PDT), Larry G > > > > > > <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >On Jul 5, 5:23 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > >> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:48:18 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > >> wrote: > > >> >On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:47:42 -0400, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote > >> >in misc.transport.road: > > >> >>On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:59:55 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> > >> >>wrote: > > >> >>>As long as oil and gas and coal are relatively cheap the economy will > >> >>>not change. We are destroying the future of this country and you are > >> >>>proud of that. > > >> >>See, that's your approach - wreck the economy with $7 a gallon gas, > >> >>and you think that somehow, somewhere, the magic battery will pop up > >> >>to save us. No it won't. We'll all just lose our jobs, exist in > >> >>poverty, maybe even starve to death - some most surely will. We have > >> >>to MAINTAIN the oil economy, keep things cheap enough to have the > >> >>resources enough to invent the magic battery, or possible come up with > >> >>another solution. But pauperizing everyone in the country with $7 a > >> >>gallon gas, or more, is just a bad idea that will lead to generalized > >> >>disaster. > > >> >>>>And once we electrify transportation, we're STILL going to need oil > >> >>>>for petrochemicals in plastics, fertilizer, medicines, etc. We'll > >> >>>>STILL need a lot, just not near as much as we did. We may be able to > >> >>>>produce all our needs right here in the USA, especially considering > >> >>>>the 3X Saudi oil reserve in shale oil out west. > > >> >>>We do need such things. If you knew anything about the climate or the > >> >>>carbon cycle, you would realize that we could easily use them for things > >> >>>like plastic if we didn't waste so much in energy. > > >> >>If it was easy, they'd already be doing it. Nobody wants to do these > >> >>things with oil because its already expensive. But anything else is > >> >>MORE expensive. If it wasn't, we'd be using it. > > >> >>>No one, other than the AGW deniers, are being idiots. > > >> >>The AGW proponents are being the idiots. When shown ways to lower the > >> >>earths temperature cheaply, they run from it, want to suppress it. > > >> >There are no such cheap ways. > > >> Well, if I told you once, you'd just lie and say it wouldn't work > >> without knowing a thing about it. > > >> >>What they're all about is creating an artificial need to spend obscene > >> >>amounts of money to cure a problem that is not. > > >> >I'm tired of listening to your lies. Good-bye. > > >> Whatever, dude - ur brainwashed by the enemies of our country. > > >here's some real world prices of gasoline and last time I check none > >of these countries went broke: > > >Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 > >Norway Oslo $6.27 > >Italy Milan $5.96 > >Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 > >Belgium Brussels $5.91 > >Sweden Stockholm $5.80 > >United Kingdom London $5.79 > >Germany Frankfurt $5.57 > >France Paris $5.54 > >Portugal Lisbon $5.35 > >Hungary Budapest $4.94 > > They're as expensive as they are because they're taxed out the wazoo. > > They're taxed out the wazoo 'cuz they're helping support the socialism > that attacks Europe's prosperity. they're taxed for two reasons. first to provide monies for mass transit and second to limit their vulnerability to externally-supplied oil supplies. your previous response was to give as an excuse the fact that we did not enough mass transit ... this is how you get it. and then we whine about how we are hostage to other countries because of our "addiction" to oil then.. when when the answer is to limit how much we use.. it's said to "bankrupt" the country. Well.. it's not bankrupting those countries that are doing it now. why not?
From: Beam Me Up Scotty on 5 Jul 2010 20:50 On 7/5/2010 7:13 PM, Dave Head wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:45:35 -0700 (PDT), Larry G > <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jul 5, 5:23 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:48:18 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:47:42 -0400, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote >>>> in misc.transport.road: >>> >>>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:59:55 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> As long as oil and gas and coal are relatively cheap the economy will >>>>>> not change. We are destroying the future of this country and you are >>>>>> proud of that. >>> >>>>> See, that's your approach - wreck the economy with $7 a gallon gas, >>>>> and you think that somehow, somewhere, the magic battery will pop up >>>>> to save us. No it won't. We'll all just lose our jobs, exist in >>>>> poverty, maybe even starve to death - some most surely will. We have >>>>> to MAINTAIN the oil economy, keep things cheap enough to have the >>>>> resources enough to invent the magic battery, or possible come up with >>>>> another solution. But pauperizing everyone in the country with $7 a >>>>> gallon gas, or more, is just a bad idea that will lead to generalized >>>>> disaster. >>> >>>>>>> And once we electrify transportation, we're STILL going to need oil >>>>>>> for petrochemicals in plastics, fertilizer, medicines, etc. We'll >>>>>>> STILL need a lot, just not near as much as we did. We may be able to >>>>>>> produce all our needs right here in the USA, especially considering >>>>>>> the 3X Saudi oil reserve in shale oil out west. >>> >>>>>> We do need such things. If you knew anything about the climate or the >>>>>> carbon cycle, you would realize that we could easily use them for things >>>>>> like plastic if we didn't waste so much in energy. >>> >>>>> If it was easy, they'd already be doing it. Nobody wants to do these >>>>> things with oil because its already expensive. But anything else is >>>>> MORE expensive. If it wasn't, we'd be using it. >>> >>>>>> No one, other than the AGW deniers, are being idiots. >>> >>>>> The AGW proponents are being the idiots. When shown ways to lower the >>>>> earths temperature cheaply, they run from it, want to suppress it. >>> >>>> There are no such cheap ways. >>> >>> Well, if I told you once, you'd just lie and say it wouldn't work >>> without knowing a thing about it. >>> >>>>> What they're all about is creating an artificial need to spend obscene >>>>> amounts of money to cure a problem that is not. >>> >>>> I'm tired of listening to your lies. Good-bye. >>> >>> Whatever, dude - ur brainwashed by the enemies of our country. >> >> here's some real world prices of gasoline and last time I check none >> of these countries went broke: >> >> Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 >> Norway Oslo $6.27 >> Italy Milan $5.96 >> Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 >> Belgium Brussels $5.91 >> Sweden Stockholm $5.80 >> United Kingdom London $5.79 >> Germany Frankfurt $5.57 >> France Paris $5.54 >> Portugal Lisbon $5.35 >> Hungary Budapest $4.94 > They are all hanging by a thread.... it's a toss-up whether Portugal or Spain is the next to fall. Iceland is already Bankrupt. "Where does the crisis go next? Most exposed are countries with large amounts of external debt relative to the size of their economy. A quick calculation suggests that by this measure, the U.S. is relatively well off, with external debt about equal to GDP. Japan�s external debt is about 40-50% of GDP, as is Canada�s (these numbers may change as I refine my calculations). *Italy* is at about 100%, and *Germany* and France are in the 140-150% range. From this perspective, the U.S.�with its external debt mostly in dollars�looks like a bastion of stability. The euro zone has some weaknesses�Belgium and the *Netherlands* have uncomfortably high debt levels, and Ireland is extremely high. But there is a political framework in place which should allow political leaders to take effective action if they want. The biggest dangers are for the UK and Switzerland. These countries, although much bigger than Iceland, are major financial intermediaries with big external debts. What�s more, they are outside the major currency blocs, with debt denominated in foreign currencies. That means if their currency starts to devalue, their debts will become more and more onerous. " ..
From: Dave Head on 5 Jul 2010 21:00 On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 17:21:27 -0700 (PDT), Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 5, 7:13�pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 15:45:35 -0700 (PDT), Larry G >> >> >> >> >> >> <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >On Jul 5, 5:23�pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >> >> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:48:18 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:47:42 -0400, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote >> >> >in misc.transport.road: >> >> >> >>On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:59:55 -0500, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> >> >> >>wrote: >> >> >> >>>As long as oil and gas and coal are relatively cheap the economy will >> >> >>>not change. We are destroying the future of this country and you are >> >> >>>proud of that. >> >> >> >>See, that's your approach - wreck the economy with $7 a gallon gas, >> >> >>and you think that somehow, somewhere, the magic battery will pop up >> >> >>to save us. �No it won't. �We'll all just lose our jobs, exist in >> >> >>poverty, maybe even starve to death - some most surely will. � We have >> >> >>to MAINTAIN the oil economy, keep things cheap enough to have the >> >> >>resources enough to invent the magic battery, or possible come up with >> >> >>another solution. �But pauperizing everyone in the country with $7 a >> >> >>gallon gas, or more, is just a bad idea that will lead to generalized >> >> >>disaster. >> >> >> >>>>And once we electrify transportation, we're STILL going to need oil >> >> >>>>for petrochemicals in plastics, fertilizer, medicines, etc. �We'll >> >> >>>>STILL need a lot, just not near as much as we did. �We may be able to >> >> >>>>produce all our needs right here in the USA, especially considering >> >> >>>>the 3X Saudi oil reserve in shale oil out west. >> >> >> >>>We do need such things. If you knew anything about the climate or the >> >> >>>carbon cycle, you would realize that we could easily use them for things >> >> >>>like plastic if we didn't waste so much in energy. >> >> >> >>If it was easy, they'd already be doing it. �Nobody wants to do these >> >> >>things with oil because its already expensive. �But anything else is >> >> >>MORE expensive. �If it wasn't, we'd be using it. >> >> >> >>>No one, other than the AGW deniers, are being idiots. >> >> >> >>The AGW proponents are being the idiots. �When shown ways to lower the >> >> >>earths temperature cheaply, they run from it, want to suppress it. >> >> >> >There are no such cheap ways. >> >> >> Well, if I told you once, you'd just lie and say it wouldn't work >> >> without knowing a thing about it. >> >> >> >>What they're all about is creating an artificial need to spend obscene >> >> >>amounts of money to cure a problem that is not. >> >> >> >I'm tired of listening to your lies. Good-bye. >> >> >> Whatever, dude - ur brainwashed by the enemies of our country. >> >> >here's some real world prices of gasoline and last time I check none >> >of these countries went broke: >> >> >Netherlands Amsterdam � � � $6.48 >> >Norway � � �Oslo � �$6.27 >> >Italy � � � Milan � $5.96 >> >Denmark � � Copenhagen � � �$5.93 >> >Belgium � � Brussels � � � �$5.91 >> >Sweden � � �Stockholm � � � $5.80 >> >United Kingdom � � �London �$5.79 >> >Germany � � Frankfurt � � � $5.57 >> >France � � �Paris � $5.54 >> >Portugal � �Lisbon �$5.35 >> >Hungary � � Budapest � � � �$4.94 >> >> They're as expensive as they are because they're taxed out the wazoo. >> >> They're taxed out the wazoo 'cuz they're helping support the socialism >> that attacks Europe's prosperity. > >they're taxed for two reasons. first to provide monies for mass >transit and second to limit their vulnerability to externally-supplied >oil supplies. And that means paurperizing anyone that tries to use their cars to do things routinely. They have to take buses and railroads. We don't have buses and railroads. >your previous response was to give as an excuse the fact that we did >not enough mass transit ... this is how you get it. You don't get it in this country simply by raising the taxes on gasoline now. If you do that, you WILL collapse the economy, we won't have 2 nickles to rub together, and we'll never build several trillion dollars worth of electrified trackage along with the nuclear power stations necessary to power it. >and then we whine about how we are hostage to other countries because >of our "addiction" to oil then.. when when the answer is to limit how >much we use.. But that's NOT the answer. That way lies disaster. The answer is to build these things when they are economically feasible to do so. That's not now, for sure. I'd LOVE to have electric trains running all over the country at high speeds, but they are hideously expensive and we're pretty broke right now. And, I don't think that there is going to _be_ a recovery unless we get rid of the income taxes - all of 'em - just my personal opinion on that. >it's said to "bankrupt" the country. Well.. it's not >bankrupting those countries that are doing it now. why not? They already have public transportation - good rail systems for both freight and people, and of course their citizens don't enjoy the ability to move about with their cars the way we do. Our citizens would feel abused by such a diminishment of their mobility now, and vote out anyone who even contemplated it. But their rails and buses at least give them alternative transportation, however slower and annoying it might be found by the average American.
From: Rich Piehl on 5 Jul 2010 21:34
On 7/5/2010 1:51 PM, Brent wrote: > On 2010-07-05, Rich Piehl<rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote: >> On 7/5/2010 12:58 PM, Brent wrote: >>> On 2010-07-05, Rich Piehl<rpiehl5REMOVETHISFOR(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Doesn't matter whether you create 10 solar panels or 10 million. For >>>> every green job created you eliminate 2.2 existing jobs. >>> >>> The very same can be said of military spending. Why? because it is >>> government allocation of resources. Resources taken from the private >>> sector and consumed in the political sector. The same mechanisms are at >>> work. >> >> But that's the different discussion I mentioned. It has nothing to do >> with green jobs or solar panels produced or jobs lost because of green >> jobs created. > > Government consumption of our wealth. > >>> Actually military spending is only equal to the destruction of 'green' >>> spending if what is produced is never used. If it is used, then it >>> destroys lives, capital equipment, buildings, etc and so forth >>> increasing the negative economic impact. (also see broken window falacy) > >> Your statement assumes military spending is only for aggression, which >> isn't true. > > If a factory is bombed into rubble wether the nation it is in attacked > someone else or was attacked is irrelevant. The factory and its > productive capacity has been destroyed. > >> By that statement you are saying you want a country with zero military >> spending. none. > > Nice strawman. I stated nothing about what I want. It's a simple fact > that military spending an economic drain on a society. > As opposed to the economic drain on our society that occurred after 9/11, and would occur again if we got another 9/11 type attack? Ar numerous 9/11 type attacks? |