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From: Larry G on 9 Jul 2010 14:49 On Jul 9, 2:20 pm, Rich Piehl <rpiehl5REMOVETHIS...(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote: > On 7/9/2010 11:43 AM, Larry G wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 9, 12:34 pm, Rich Piehl > > <rpiehl5REMOVETHIS...(a)NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote: > >> On 7/9/2010 6:55 AM, Larry G wrote: > > >>> On Jul 9, 12:31 am, Rally2xs<rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > >>>> On Jul 8, 6:36 pm, Larry G<gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> it is SOME of them's agenda... though... and it will add money to the > >>>>> cost. > > >>>> Everything an envirowacko dreams up adds to the cost.... > > >>> not putting pollution into the environment costs money - but so does > >>> putting pollution into the environment. > > >>> Want to have dioxin in all of our rivers or lead back in gasoline? > > >>>>>> Not sure about the expense of removing mercury from coal, if it is > >>>>>> indeed possible. But I'd be expecting that 80 cents per kilowatt hour > >>>>>> electric if they tried it. > > >>>>> not sure either.. will check... but more like a penny or two > > >>>> Probably more like bankrupting the coal plant, whiich would get > >>>> replaced with something REALLY expensive. > > >>> according to one quick check from the EPA: " Cost estimates fall in a > >>> wide range. It is projected that the Hg removal capabilities projected > >>> in Table 3 would add no more than about 3 mills/kWh to the annualized > >>> cost of power production." > > >>>http://www.epa.gov/ttnatw01/utility/hgwhitepaperfinal.pdf > > >>> the most important thing is that the folks who are opposed don't care > >>> anyhow, right? > > >>>>>> Just don't eat so much fish. > > >>>>> it's in other things too guy... anything that eats off the ground may > >>>>> be accumulating it in their tissues. > > >>>> Still, I eat this food. > > >>> it's kids guy.... how much is it worth to have a kid with lower IQs? > > >> How many children die automobile accidents each year, or have permanent > >> injuries as a result of them. By your logic cars should be banned. > >> Same with children riding bicycles. Children are injured by house > >> household cleaners and other chemicals. Better ban those. Children > >> drown in bathtubs and swimming pools. Better ban those. Children get > >> asphyxiated in houses with furnaces that leak carbon monoxide. Better > >> ban furnaces. For that matter kids die and are injured in house fires. > >> Better ban houses and fire. > > >> It's kids Larry. How much is it worth to save the life of a child, or > >> prevent them from being injured? > > >> Your argument makes just as much sense as mine. > > > Hey Rich - you may have noticed just how much stuff that injures kids > > has been banned.... already.. eh? > > > It's not only kids - with Mercury. It bio-accumulates and spreads and > > becomes more concentrated in the environment... affecting pregnant > > women and most of the critters in the river as well as pasture animals > > that we use for food - It's gets into feed also that is fed to > > poultry.... > > > It's not like a chronic pollution like too much nutrients in the river > > or even acid rain. It's like a pesticide that does not degrade.... > > most of which that have been used on crops and lawns , etc have been > > either banned or very severely restricted. > > > If something hurts KIDS guy.. it means it hurts all humans but we see > > it first in the kids... you need to get more environmental > > "smarts"... > > > It's one thing to be opposed - for cause - another to not know the > > issue... > > What difference does it whether it is instantaneous or cumulative? Dead > is dead. Maimed is maimed. Everything on my list hurts and kills > humans, adults and children, alike too. > > You need to be more intellectually honest. cumulative means it accumulates to higher and higher levels.. the longer it goes on the more damage that occurs... you need to become literate in the subject matter if you don't understand the difference between bio-persistent and not. that's more than intellectually honest.. it means you have some intellect to be honest with.
From: Larry G on 9 Jul 2010 14:51 On Jul 9, 1:19 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy- Everyth...(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote: > > On 7/9/2010 6:55 AM, Larry G wrote: > >> On Jul 9, 12:31 am, Rally2xs<rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > >>> On Jul 8, 6:36 pm, Larry G<gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> it is SOME of them's agenda... though... and it will add money to the > >>>> cost. > > >>> Everything an envirowacko dreams up adds to the cost.... > > >> not putting pollution into the environment costs money - but so does > >> putting pollution into the environment. > > >> Want to have dioxin in all of our rivers or lead back in gasoline? > > >>>>> Not sure about the expense of removing mercury from coal, if it is > >>>>> indeed possible. But I'd be expecting that 80 cents per kilowatt hour > >>>>> electric if they tried it. > > >>>> not sure either.. will check... but more like a penny or two > > >>> Probably more like bankrupting the coal plant, whiich would get > >>> replaced with something REALLY expensive. > > >> according to one quick check from the EPA: " Cost estimates fall in a > >> wide range. It is projected that the Hg removal capabilities projected > >> in Table 3 would add no more than about 3 mills/kWh to the annualized > >> cost of power production." > > >>http://www.epa.gov/ttnatw01/utility/hgwhitepaperfinal.pdf > > >> the most important thing is that the folks who are opposed don't care > >> anyhow, right? > > >>>>> Just don't eat so much fish. > > >>>> it's in other things too guy... anything that eats off the ground may > >>>> be accumulating it in their tissues. > > >>> Still, I eat this food. > > >> it's kids guy.... how much is it worth to have a kid with lower IQs? > > Why do you assume that it's the food, I see the Government education and > preschool as the cause. it's not an assumption.. it's facts... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)#Releases_in_the_environment the enviro-weenies have a problem ...no question but so do the folks who think there is no problem..
From: Beam Me Up Scotty on 9 Jul 2010 15:17 >>>> On Jul 9, 12:31 am, Rally2xs<rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >>>>> Everything an envirowacko dreams up adds to the cost.... Enviro-wacko's are afflicted with a #neurosis that makes them FEAR that anything you do is going to create a chain reaction that destroys the environment..... It's more of an *envirophobia* where these NUTS think instead of thinking everyone is out to get them, they think everyone is out to destroy their #environment. Like we don't all live here? These are the types like those that fear getting on an airplane because they think everyone is out to do things to make them crash.... It's just plain #irrational behavior. We all drive cars and fly in planes because while accidents happen, WE don't think "they" are out to get us and while environmental crime and accidents happen, WE simply fix what broke and clean up the mess and move on. Those #envirophobia inflicted people can't do that.
From: Beam Me Up Scotty on 9 Jul 2010 15:25 >>>> On Jul 9, 12:31 am, Rally2xs<rally...(a)att.net> wrote: >>>>> Everything an envirowacko dreams up adds to the cost.... Enviro-wacko's are afflicted with a #neurosis that makes them FEAR that anything you do is going to create a chain reaction that destroys the environment..... It's more of an *envirophobia* where these NUTS think instead of thinking everyone is out to get them, they think everyone is out to destroy their #environment. Like we don't all live here? They remind me of a shut in, an old woman that is scared to go out to her mail box because she might get mugged or abused or a dog may bite her or a space shuttle may drop on her head.... These are the types like those that fear getting on an airplane because they think everyone is out to do things to make them crash.... It's just plain #irrational behavior. We all drive cars and fly in planes because while accidents happen, WE don't think "they" are out to get us and while environmental crime and accidents happen, WE simply fix what broke and clean up the mess and move on. Those #envirophobia inflicted people can't accept that.
From: Larry G on 9 Jul 2010 16:18
On Jul 9, 3:17 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy- Everyth...(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote: > >>>> On Jul 9, 12:31 am, Rally2xs<rally...(a)att.net> wrote: > >>>>> Everything an envirowacko dreams up adds to the cost.... > > Enviro-wacko's are afflicted with a #neurosis that makes them FEAR that > anything you do is going to create a chain reaction that destroys the > environment..... > > It's more of an *envirophobia* where these NUTS think instead of > thinking everyone is out to get them, they think everyone is out to > destroy their #environment. Like we don't all live here? > > These are the types like those that fear getting on an airplane because > they think everyone is out to do things to make them crash.... It's > just plain #irrational behavior. We all drive cars and fly in planes > because while accidents happen, WE don't think "they" are out to get us > and while environmental crime and accidents happen, WE simply fix what > broke and clean up the mess and move on. Those #envirophobia inflicted > people can't do that. the enviro-weenies have undermined the whole idea of environmental protection in some respects - agree - but the folks on the other end are just as guilty of not finding a middle ground also. It's not about "accidents" guy. It's about persistent, every-present things that harm the health of people. The non-attainment caps for the urban areas is a good example. Some folks like you will poo poo it but others ... children, elderly, those who are ill or have asthma..they have real problems but if you were in charge - they'd die because it does not affect you. that's what wrong.. IMHO.. both sides need to get real. |