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From: Beam Me Up Scotty on 19 Jul 2010 11:09 On 7/19/2010 9:43 AM, Brent wrote: > On 2010-07-19, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> the question is do you have a "RIGHT" to pollute? > > I already answered this. > >> Do you have to get permission to do it and the requirement is that you >> buy "enough" land OR the permit says that no matter how much land you >> buy that pollution will still leave your property and therefore it >> cannot or it will be restricted to certain levels. > >> do you have an unfettered "right" to pollute as much or at any level >> that YOU deem appropriate or do those that are impacted by the >> pollution decide > > It's is simply amazing that you can ask a loaded question such as that > when to any reader with half a clue could tell I am arguing for NO RIGHT > TO POLLUTE THE PROPERTY OF OTHERS. > >> - via a govt and a govt agency (EPA) that represents >> them? > > If you think the EPA represents you, you're an idiot. The EPA is a > political body which grants permission to pollute other people's > property. It secures a system where by those with political influence > can pollute while those without cannot. It's a patch over the previous > system which was those with political influence could pollute at will > and others could do so until someone sued them and won. Now the EPA is used as a taxing base, tax according to compliance will be the standard and the rich will pay the tax and get the freedom to pollute you while you can't afford the EPA tax. Welcome to VAT and "Cap and tax" taxing your environment, the massed use to much water then tax it... use too much oil and put an EPA tax on it.
From: Beam Me Up Scotty on 19 Jul 2010 11:40 On 7/19/2010 9:43 AM, Brent wrote: > On 2010-07-19, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> the question is do you have a "RIGHT" to pollute? > > I already answered this. > >> Do you have to get permission to do it and the requirement is that you >> buy "enough" land OR the permit says that no matter how much land you >> buy that pollution will still leave your property and therefore it >> cannot or it will be restricted to certain levels. > >> do you have an unfettered "right" to pollute as much or at any level >> that YOU deem appropriate or do those that are impacted by the >> pollution decide > > It's is simply amazing that you can ask a loaded question such as that > when to any reader with half a clue could tell I am arguing for NO RIGHT > TO POLLUTE THE PROPERTY OF OTHERS. > >> - via a govt and a govt agency (EPA) that represents >> them? > > If you think the EPA represents you, you're an idiot. The EPA is a > political body which grants permission to pollute other people's > property. It secures a system where by those with political influence > can pollute while those without cannot. It's a patch over the previous > system which was those with political influence could pollute at will > and others could do so until someone sued them and won. Now the EPA is used as a taxing base, tax according to compliance will be the standard and the rich will pay the tax and get the freedom to pollute you while you can't afford the EPA tax. Welcome to VAT and "Cap and tax" taxing your environment, the masses use to much water, then tax it... use too much oil, then put an EPA tax on it. Taxing is used to keep you poor so you are kept a "slave".... Like speeding tickets are a tax..... they get money and you are kept working to replace the money taxed away. The whole system is set to keep you trying to work to pay taxes, if they wanted an equal punishment on the SLAVES AND THOSE THAT ARE RICH ENOUGH TO NOT WORK, the cost would be time. I value my time the same as you value an hour of your time. Yet the rich powers that be refuse to make crimes equal.... they want to use money which they have an advantage on as their measure of punishment. Every crime should be time based so that it is equal.
From: Larry G on 19 Jul 2010 15:28 On Jul 19, 9:43 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-07-19, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > the question is do you have a "RIGHT" to pollute? > > I already answered this. > > > Do you have to get permission to do it and the requirement is that you > > buy "enough" land OR the permit says that no matter how much land you > > buy that pollution will still leave your property and therefore it > > cannot or it will be restricted to certain levels. > > do you have an unfettered "right" to pollute as much or at any level > > that YOU deem appropriate or do those that are impacted by the > > pollution decide > > It's is simply amazing that you can ask a loaded question such as that > when to any reader with half a clue could tell I am arguing for NO RIGHT > TO POLLUTE THE PROPERTY OF OTHERS. > > > - via a govt and a govt agency (EPA) that represents > > them? > > If you think the EPA represents you, you're an idiot. The EPA is a > political body which grants permission to pollute other people's > property. It secures a system where by those with political influence > can pollute while those without cannot. It's a patch over the previous > system which was those with political influence could pollute at will > and others could do so until someone sued them and won. if someone pollutes your land - how do you stop it? don't most of us expect the govt to help out? your positions are not rational guy. you're 100% idealogical and 0% practical. You may not like or trust the govt - fair enough - but your alternatives to someone polluting your property or few without a govt.
From: Larry G on 19 Jul 2010 15:33 On Jul 19, 9:43 am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-07-19, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > the question is do you have a "RIGHT" to pollute? > > I already answered this. > > > Do you have to get permission to do it and the requirement is that you > > buy "enough" land OR the permit says that no matter how much land you > > buy that pollution will still leave your property and therefore it > > cannot or it will be restricted to certain levels. > > do you have an unfettered "right" to pollute as much or at any level > > that YOU deem appropriate or do those that are impacted by the > > pollution decide > > It's is simply amazing that you can ask a loaded question such as that > when to any reader with half a clue could tell I am arguing for NO RIGHT > TO POLLUTE THE PROPERTY OF OTHERS. > > > - via a govt and a govt agency (EPA) that represents > > them? > > If you think the EPA represents you, you're an idiot. The EPA is a > political body which grants permission to pollute other people's > property. It secures a system where by those with political influence > can pollute while those without cannot. It's a patch over the previous > system which was those with political influence could pollute at will > and others could do so until someone sued them and won. The EPA ...for example.. protects the elderly, children, and those with compromised immune systems by limiting just how much pollution can be released in places where people live. we call them non- attainment areas. The EPA will relocated and compensate those whose land has been polluted so much that they are a danger to them.. We call them superfund sites. The EPA limits the amount of mercury that can be released ... that harms kids Without the EPA and organizations like it - you'd have no clue whether what you ate or drank or breathed was dangerous to you or not... much less how to stop someone from doing it.
From: Larry G on 19 Jul 2010 15:34
On Jul 19, 11:09 am, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destroy- Everyth...(a)Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote: > On 7/19/2010 9:43 AM, Brent wrote: > > > > > > > On 2010-07-19, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> the question is do you have a "RIGHT" to pollute? > > > I already answered this. > > >> Do you have to get permission to do it and the requirement is that you > >> buy "enough" land OR the permit says that no matter how much land you > >> buy that pollution will still leave your property and therefore it > >> cannot or it will be restricted to certain levels. > > >> do you have an unfettered "right" to pollute as much or at any level > >> that YOU deem appropriate or do those that are impacted by the > >> pollution decide > > > It's is simply amazing that you can ask a loaded question such as that > > when to any reader with half a clue could tell I am arguing for NO RIGHT > > TO POLLUTE THE PROPERTY OF OTHERS. > > >> - via a govt and a govt agency (EPA) that represents > >> them? > > > If you think the EPA represents you, you're an idiot. The EPA is a > > political body which grants permission to pollute other people's > > property. It secures a system where by those with political influence > > can pollute while those without cannot. It's a patch over the previous > > system which was those with political influence could pollute at will > > and others could do so until someone sued them and won. > > Now the EPA is used as a taxing base, tax according to compliance will > be the standard and the rich will pay the tax and get the freedom to > pollute you while you can't afford the EPA tax. > > Welcome to VAT and "Cap and tax" taxing your environment, the massed > use to much water then tax it... use too much oil and put an EPA tax on > it. every hear of a gas-guzzler tax? |