From: Dave Head on
On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
<gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jul 4, 9:45�am, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 09:35:43 -0230, clouddreamer
>>
>> <Reuse.Recy...(a)Reduce.now> wrote:
>> >We must change the way we live
>> > � � � �Or the climate will do it for us.
>>
>> Ain't you figured out yet that GW is a scam? �I mean, how plain does
>> it have to get - there's been NO warming for the last 10 year, the
>> East Anglia University bunch's e-mails have exposed their bias and
>> attempt to suppress data that disagrees with what they're promoting,
>> and the GW's refusal to debate the topic at all. �They claim that it
>> is settled science, but there are vast numbers of scientists that
>> question it. And then there's this video I really like:
>>
>> http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a
>>
>> C'mon, wise up - this GW stuff is just a way to cart wheelbarrow loads
>> of money out of the USA to "do something" about the problem. �Even
>> their own approaches such as the Kyoto treaty that failed miserably
>> because nobody lived up to it was supposedly only going to lower the
>> temperature by a few tenths of a degree by year 2100.
>>
>> The only way to do this would be to nuke the planet and kill all the
>> people, but then there's no reason to save the planet, y'know?
>
>hmmm. do you think the ozone holes were scams also?
>
>and GW.. if we require stricter pollution restrictions - won't that
>create more jobs and at the same time save fuel making us even more
>productive?

More pollution controls moves jobs overseas. Yeah, it creates lots of
jobs in Korea and China and India.
From: John Lansford on
Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
><gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 4, 9:45�am, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 09:35:43 -0230, clouddreamer
>>>
>>> <Reuse.Recy...(a)Reduce.now> wrote:
>>> >We must change the way we live
>>> > � � � �Or the climate will do it for us.
>>>
>>> Ain't you figured out yet that GW is a scam? �I mean, how plain does
>>> it have to get - there's been NO warming for the last 10 year, the
>>> East Anglia University bunch's e-mails have exposed their bias and
>>> attempt to suppress data that disagrees with what they're promoting,
>>> and the GW's refusal to debate the topic at all. �They claim that it
>>> is settled science, but there are vast numbers of scientists that
>>> question it. And then there's this video I really like:
>>>
>>> http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a
>>>
>>> C'mon, wise up - this GW stuff is just a way to cart wheelbarrow loads
>>> of money out of the USA to "do something" about the problem. �Even
>>> their own approaches such as the Kyoto treaty that failed miserably
>>> because nobody lived up to it was supposedly only going to lower the
>>> temperature by a few tenths of a degree by year 2100.
>>>
>>> The only way to do this would be to nuke the planet and kill all the
>>> people, but then there's no reason to save the planet, y'know?
>>
>>hmmm. do you think the ozone holes were scams also?
>>
>>and GW.. if we require stricter pollution restrictions - won't that
>>create more jobs and at the same time save fuel making us even more
>>productive?
>
>More pollution controls moves jobs overseas. Yeah, it creates lots of
>jobs in Korea and China and India.

I suppose we should eliminate all pollution controls, then. Why,
everyone would soon be employed and our economy running at full speed!

While we're at it, let's get rid of those annoying regulations on the
banking industry, oh, and the mining and oil exploration industries
too. That ought to work our really well and take care of our energy
problems!

(note; the above is sarcasm, for those too mentally dense to not
figure it out for themselves)

John Lansford, PE
--
John's Shop of Wood
http://wood.jlansford.net/
From: Larry G on
On Jul 4, 1:03 pm, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
>
>
>
>
>
> <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 4, 9:45 am, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 09:35:43 -0230, clouddreamer
>
> >> <Reuse.Recy...(a)Reduce.now> wrote:
> >> >We must change the way we live
> >> >        Or the climate will do it for us.
>
> >> Ain't you figured out yet that GW is a scam?  I mean, how plain does
> >> it have to get - there's been NO warming for the last 10 year, the
> >> East Anglia University bunch's e-mails have exposed their bias and
> >> attempt to suppress data that disagrees with what they're promoting,
> >> and the GW's refusal to debate the topic at all.  They claim that it
> >> is settled science, but there are vast numbers of scientists that
> >> question it. And then there's this video I really like:
>
> >>http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a
>
> >> C'mon, wise up - this GW stuff is just a way to cart wheelbarrow loads
> >> of money out of the USA to "do something" about the problem.  Even
> >> their own approaches such as the Kyoto treaty that failed miserably
> >> because nobody lived up to it was supposedly only going to lower the
> >> temperature by a few tenths of a degree by year 2100.
>
> >> The only way to do this would be to nuke the planet and kill all the
> >> people, but then there's no reason to save the planet, y'know?
>
> >hmmm. do you think the ozone holes were scams also?
>
> >and GW..   if we require stricter pollution restrictions - won't that
> >create more jobs and at the same time save fuel making us even more
> >productive?
>
> More pollution controls moves jobs overseas.  Yeah, it creates lots of
> jobs in Korea and China and India.

it might... I don't disagree with that.

but what does that have to do with worldwide agreement that the Ozone
holes are real and the same climate folks associated with GW claimed
the existence of the Ozone holes. Why do you believe them in one case
and think it's a scam in the second case ?
From: Rich Piehl on
On 7/4/2010 11:00 AM, Larry G wrote:
> On Jul 4, 9:45 am, Dave Head<rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 09:35:43 -0230, clouddreamer
>>
>> <Reuse.Recy...(a)Reduce.now> wrote:
>>> We must change the way we live
>>> Or the climate will do it for us.
>>
>> Ain't you figured out yet that GW is a scam? I mean, how plain does
>> it have to get - there's been NO warming for the last 10 year, the
>> East Anglia University bunch's e-mails have exposed their bias and
>> attempt to suppress data that disagrees with what they're promoting,
>> and the GW's refusal to debate the topic at all. They claim that it
>> is settled science, but there are vast numbers of scientists that
>> question it. And then there's this video I really like:
>>
>> http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a
>>
>> C'mon, wise up - this GW stuff is just a way to cart wheelbarrow loads
>> of money out of the USA to "do something" about the problem. Even
>> their own approaches such as the Kyoto treaty that failed miserably
>> because nobody lived up to it was supposedly only going to lower the
>> temperature by a few tenths of a degree by year 2100.
>>
>> The only way to do this would be to nuke the planet and kill all the
>> people, but then there's no reason to save the planet, y'know?
>
> hmmm. do you think the ozone holes were scams also?
>
> and GW.. if we require stricter pollution restrictions - won't that
> create more jobs and at the same time save fuel making us even more
> productive?

Using Spain's results as a model that is an incorrect conclusion to reach

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2009/06/24/will24.ART_ART_06-24-09_A11_MLE94UP.html?sid=101

> Calzada says Spain's torrential spending -- no other nation has so aggressively supported production of electricity from renewable sources -- on wind farms and other forms of alternative energy has indeed created jobs. But Calzada's report concludes that they often are temporary and have received $752,000 to $800,000 each in subsidies -- wind industry jobs cost even more, $1.4 million each. And each new job entails the loss of 2.2 other jobs that are either lost or not created in other industries because of the political allocation of capital. Calzada says the creation of jobs in alternative energy has subtracted about 110,000 jobs from elsewhere in Spain's economy.


From: Harry K on
On Jul 4, 8:01 am, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 06:55:05 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
>
>
>
>
>
> <turnkey4...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 4, 6:45 am, Dave Head <rally...(a)att.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 09:35:43 -0230, clouddreamer
>
> >> <Reuse.Recy...(a)Reduce.now> wrote:
> >> >We must change the way we live
> >> > Or the climate will do it for us.
>
> >> Ain't you figured out yet that GW is a scam? I mean, how plain does
> >> it have to get - there's been NO warming for the last 10 year, the
> >> East Anglia University bunch's e-mails have exposed their bias and
> >> attempt to suppress data that disagrees with what they're promoting,
> >> and the GW's refusal to debate the topic at all. They claim that it
> >> is settled science, but there are vast numbers of scientists that
> >> question it. And then there's this video I really like:
>
> >>http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=pop&t=a
>
> >> C'mon, wise up - this GW stuff is just a way to cart wheelbarrow loads
> >> of money out of the USA to "do something" about the problem. Even
> >> their own approaches such as the Kyoto treaty that failed miserably
> >> because nobody lived up to it was supposedly only going to lower the
> >> temperature by a few tenths of a degree by year 2100.
>
> >> The only way to do this would be to nuke the planet and kill all the
> >> people, but then there's no reason to save the planet, y'know?
>
> >And in spite of the denialists constant denials, the ice just keeps on
> >disappearing.
>
> >Harry K
>
> Ya' mean like its been doing since the end of the last ice age?  Sure.
>
> Oh, wait - ice is thickening in the antarctic.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sorry but if you check it out, the ice is building up in one small
part of the continent. Whether the total ice down there is gaining,
loosing or remaining the same is not certain...or at least that was
the status several months ago when I checked out that denialist claim.

Harry K