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From: Dave Head on 5 Jul 2010 22:13 On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 01:53:58 +0000 (UTC), Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2010-07-05, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> here's some real world prices of gasoline and last time I check none >> of these countries went broke: >> >> Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 >> Norway Oslo $6.27 >> Italy Milan $5.96 >> Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 >> Belgium Brussels $5.91 >> Sweden Stockholm $5.80 >> United Kingdom London $5.79 >> Germany Frankfurt $5.57 >> France Paris $5.54 >> Portugal Lisbon $5.35 >> Hungary Budapest $4.94 > >I don't think you would like the standard of living in many of those >countries. A standard of living that is what it is thanks to a very high >tax rate. The standard of living based on material goods, home size, etc >is probably about equal or below to that of the USA's 'poor'. > Yeah - while searching the net for info about the French health care system last year whe the Obamacare was being discussed, I ran across a little tidbit that the French doctors average about $55,000 a year. That wouldn't fly here, and neither would gas prices like that.
From: Brent on 5 Jul 2010 22:20 On 2010-07-06, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 01:55:30 +0000 (UTC), Brent ><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On 2010-07-06, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote: >> >>> You don't get it in this country simply by raising the taxes on >>> gasoline now. If you do that, you WILL collapse the economy, we won't >>> have 2 nickles to rub together, and we'll never build several trillion >>> dollars worth of electrified trackage along with the nuclear power >>> stations necessary to power it. >> >>You can find a trillion plus a year to operate a world wide empire and a >>couple or more wars. > > We didn't "find" it, we borrowed it, and that's just ANOTHER problem > with this whole mess... Borrowed money to build capital equipment (even if it is misguided) is one thing, borrowed money to squander on consumption and destruction is another.
From: Larry G on 5 Jul 2010 22:57 On Jul 5, 9:53 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-07-05, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > here's some real world prices of gasoline and last time I check none > > of these countries went broke: > > > Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 > > Norway Oslo $6.27 > > Italy Milan $5.96 > > Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 > > Belgium Brussels $5.91 > > Sweden Stockholm $5.80 > > United Kingdom London $5.79 > > Germany Frankfurt $5.57 > > France Paris $5.54 > > Portugal Lisbon $5.35 > > Hungary Budapest $4.94 > > I don't think you would like the standard of living in many of those > countries. A standard of living that is what it is thanks to a very high > tax rate. The standard of living based on material goods, home size, etc > is probably about equal or below to that of the USA's 'poor'. well.. everyone in those countries has health care. They have a longer life expectancy and less infant deaths, they usually have shorter work weeks and longer vacations... almost no gun deaths... they don't starve to death or freeze to death either. I think it is us that is living above our means as recent events are showing.
From: Brent on 5 Jul 2010 22:59 On 2010-07-06, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 01:53:58 +0000 (UTC), Brent ><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On 2010-07-05, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> here's some real world prices of gasoline and last time I check none >>> of these countries went broke: >>> >>> Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 >>> Norway Oslo $6.27 >>> Italy Milan $5.96 >>> Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 >>> Belgium Brussels $5.91 >>> Sweden Stockholm $5.80 >>> United Kingdom London $5.79 >>> Germany Frankfurt $5.57 >>> France Paris $5.54 >>> Portugal Lisbon $5.35 >>> Hungary Budapest $4.94 >> >>I don't think you would like the standard of living in many of those >>countries. A standard of living that is what it is thanks to a very high >>tax rate. The standard of living based on material goods, home size, etc >>is probably about equal or below to that of the USA's 'poor'. >> > Yeah - while searching the net for info about the French health care > system last year whe the Obamacare was being discussed, I ran across a > little tidbit that the French doctors average about $55,000 a year. > That wouldn't fly here, and neither would gas prices like that. doctoring in the US is headed to the same place passenger rail went by much the same economic path.
From: Dave Head on 5 Jul 2010 23:08
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Jul 5, 9:53�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-07-05, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > here's some real world prices of gasoline and last time I check none >> > of these countries went broke: >> >> > Netherlands � � � �Amsterdam � � � $6.48 >> > Norway � � Oslo � �$6.27 >> > Italy � � �Milan � $5.96 >> > Denmark � �Copenhagen � � �$5.93 >> > Belgium � �Brussels � � � �$5.91 >> > Sweden � � Stockholm � � � $5.80 >> > United Kingdom � � London �$5.79 >> > Germany � �Frankfurt � � � $5.57 >> > France � � Paris � $5.54 >> > Portugal � Lisbon �$5.35 >> > Hungary � �Budapest � � � �$4.94 >> >> I don't think you would like the standard of living in many of those >> countries. A standard of living that is what it is thanks to a very high >> tax rate. The standard of living based on material goods, home size, etc >> is probably about equal or below to that of the USA's 'poor'. > >well.. everyone in those countries has health care. They have a longer >life expectancy and less infant deaths, they usually have shorter work >weeks and longer vacations... almost no gun deaths... they don't >starve to death or freeze to death either. > >I think it is us that is living above our means as recent events are >showing. Misleading stats. They get 'em by treating absolutely everybody. So, you get big improvements in the people that can't afford it unless its free. That bumps up the averages. But, if you have something like prostate cancer and CAN pay for it, cure rates are higher here. |