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From: Brent on 17 Jul 2010 12:16 On 2010-07-17, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > if we do not trust institutions to make the calculations and decisions > that you discuss above, what does that mean? Trust in institutions is just asking to be taken advantage of. Trusting an institution is going to going make running that institution highly attractive to the self-serving sociopaths and criminals. > make sense what I am asking? If you do not trust the institutions that > we have to perform the assigned missions - then who do you trust to do > it? Maybe we shouldn't have very powerful large institutions where keeping tabs on them is practically impossible and doing anything about them even more so. > and if you don't trust any of them other than the military - does that > mean that the military should be in charge of the country? I don't trust the military either.
From: Larry G on 17 Jul 2010 13:14 On Jul 17, 12:16 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-07-17, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > if we do not trust institutions to make the calculations and decisions > > that you discuss above, what does that mean? > > Trust in institutions is just asking to be taken advantage of. Trusting > an institution is going to going make running that institution highly > attractive to the self-serving sociopaths and criminals. > > > make sense what I am asking? If you do not trust the institutions that > > we have to perform the assigned missions - then who do you trust to do > > it? > > Maybe we shouldn't have very powerful large institutions where keeping > tabs on them is practically impossible and doing anything about them > even more so. > > > and if you don't trust any of them other than the military - does that > > mean that the military should be in charge of the country? > > I don't trust the military either. so... we have the most powerful country in the world - and it's people have lost their trust of it's government? Oh.. and DAve... you oughta check out just how many "civilian" DOD there are in "cushy" air conditioned offices - GS-13's that making 70-80K and don't know how to work the copy machine or the difference between a Predator and an MRAP. so.. no one in this conversation really thinks the military should be in charge of the country? that's a relief....
From: Brent on 17 Jul 2010 13:18 On 2010-07-17, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 17, 12:16�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-07-17, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > if we do not trust institutions to make the calculations and decisions >> > that you discuss above, what does that mean? >> >> Trust in institutions is just asking to be taken advantage of. Trusting >> an institution is going to going make running that institution highly >> attractive to the self-serving sociopaths and criminals. >> >> > make sense what I am asking? If you do not trust the institutions that >> > we have to perform the assigned missions - then who do you trust to do >> > it? >> >> Maybe we shouldn't have very powerful large institutions where keeping >> tabs on them is practically impossible and doing anything about them >> even more so. >> >> > and if you don't trust any of them other than the military - does that >> > mean that the military should be in charge of the country? >> >> I don't trust the military either. > > so... we have the most powerful country in the world - and it's people > have lost their trust of it's government? You tell me, what has government done to DESERVE trust? At every level there is corruption. On every topic it lies to us to one degree or another. What has it done to DESERVE trust? > Oh.. and DAve... you oughta check out just how many "civilian" DOD > there are in "cushy" air conditioned offices - GS-13's that making > 70-80K and don't know how to work the copy machine or the difference > between a Predator and an MRAP. The parasite class is large, what's your point? War is a racket, that is what it is at it's core. The profits of the few the costs to the many. > so.. no one in this conversation really thinks the military should be > in charge of the country? that's a relief.... A standing army is the greatest threat to liberty, to paraphrase. There's a lot of truth in that.
From: Michael Coburn on 17 Jul 2010 14:11 On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:18:50 +0000, Brent wrote: > On 2010-07-17, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Jul 17, 12:16 pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On 2010-07-17, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > if we do not trust institutions to make the calculations and >>> > decisions that you discuss above, what does that mean? >>> >>> Trust in institutions is just asking to be taken advantage of. >>> Trusting an institution is going to going make running that >>> institution highly attractive to the self-serving sociopaths and >>> criminals. >>> >>> > make sense what I am asking? If you do not trust the institutions >>> > that we have to perform the assigned missions - then who do you >>> > trust to do it? >>> >>> Maybe we shouldn't have very powerful large institutions where keeping >>> tabs on them is practically impossible and doing anything about them >>> even more so. >>> >>> > and if you don't trust any of them other than the military - does >>> > that mean that the military should be in charge of the country? >>> >>> I don't trust the military either. >> >> so... we have the most powerful country in the world - and it's people >> have lost their trust of it's government? > > You tell me, what has government done to DESERVE trust? At every level > there is corruption. On every topic it lies to us to one degree or > another. What has it done to DESERVE trust? > >> Oh.. and DAve... you oughta check out just how many "civilian" DOD >> there are in "cushy" air conditioned offices - GS-13's that making >> 70-80K and don't know how to work the copy machine or the difference >> between a Predator and an MRAP. > > The parasite class is large, what's your point? War is a racket, that is > what it is at it's core. The profits of the few the costs to the many. > >> so.. no one in this conversation really thinks the military should be >> in charge of the country? that's a relief.... > > A standing army is the greatest threat to liberty, to paraphrase. > There's a lot of truth in that. So get it fixed. Demand at least a doubling of the membership of the House of Representatives such that the people are properly represented. If you can actually get an appointment with your representative to discuss your issues and if you can get together with your neighbors and cause the defeat of a representative that is _NOT_ representing you and your neighbors then you will have an actual "republican form of government". In districts of 650 thousand people YOU are not going to be represented. Only big money will be represented. Why is this not obvious to all of us?????? -- "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
From: Brent on 17 Jul 2010 14:24
On 2010-07-17, Michael Coburn <mikcob(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:18:50 +0000, Brent wrote: > >> On 2010-07-17, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Jul 17, 12:16�pm, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> On 2010-07-17, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > if we do not trust institutions to make the calculations and >>>> > decisions that you discuss above, what does that mean? >>>> >>>> Trust in institutions is just asking to be taken advantage of. >>>> Trusting an institution is going to going make running that >>>> institution highly attractive to the self-serving sociopaths and >>>> criminals. >>>> >>>> > make sense what I am asking? If you do not trust the institutions >>>> > that we have to perform the assigned missions - then who do you >>>> > trust to do it? >>>> >>>> Maybe we shouldn't have very powerful large institutions where keeping >>>> tabs on them is practically impossible and doing anything about them >>>> even more so. >>>> >>>> > and if you don't trust any of them other than the military - does >>>> > that mean that the military should be in charge of the country? >>>> >>>> I don't trust the military either. >>> >>> so... we have the most powerful country in the world - and it's people >>> have lost their trust of it's government? >> >> You tell me, what has government done to DESERVE trust? At every level >> there is corruption. On every topic it lies to us to one degree or >> another. What has it done to DESERVE trust? >> >>> Oh.. and DAve... you oughta check out just how many "civilian" DOD >>> there are in "cushy" air conditioned offices - GS-13's that making >>> 70-80K and don't know how to work the copy machine or the difference >>> between a Predator and an MRAP. >> >> The parasite class is large, what's your point? War is a racket, that is >> what it is at it's core. The profits of the few the costs to the many. >> >>> so.. no one in this conversation really thinks the military should be >>> in charge of the country? that's a relief.... >> >> A standing army is the greatest threat to liberty, to paraphrase. >> There's a lot of truth in that. > So get it fixed. Demand at least a doubling of the membership of the > House of Representatives such that the people are properly represented. > If you can actually get an appointment with your representative to > discuss your issues and if you can get together with your neighbors and > cause the defeat of a representative that is _NOT_ representing you and > your neighbors then you will have an actual "republican form of > government". In districts of 650 thousand people YOU are not going to be > represented. Only big money will be represented. Why is this not > obvious to all of us?????? Those of us who want those things are called 'kooks' and dismissed. Things have to get much worse before people start listening to kooks. |