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From: Michael Coburn on 3 Aug 2010 17:26 On Tue, 03 Aug 2010 03:45:54 -0400, Dave Head wrote: > On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 06:14:34 +0000 (UTC), Brent > <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>So what you're saying is that the US federal government is the greatest >>threat to human life in the world. Great. An evil empire that rules >>using fear and terror. You become what you hate. Congradulations. You've >>endorsed everything the USA was supposedly better than. >> >>You want to be a world wide bully. How did that work out for the >>previous empires? Name one that still exists. None. > > No, no. Pay attention. _WE_ are the good guys. We are doing what > we're doing to keep the bad guys from dominating the world. JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBUS! >>> Yep. Gonna starve to death in the coming economic collapse brought >>> about by the rampant socialism. >> >>Guns and butter. Can't have one without the other. That's how empire >>works. That's why all empires fail, it gets too expensive. It consumes >>productive capacity while destroying it at the same time. > > It is going to fail because the income tax is making the productive > capacity too expensive, so it leaves the USA. The US economy is failing the middle class because of the lack of tariffs on imported goods and because of the LACK of individual taxation on extreme incomes. It MAY be that corporate taxes are still too high. But there is no other direct tax applied to foreign owners. Last check on this looked like foreign owners are taxed at 10% and that amount is a credit on taxation in their home countries. And American owners are taxed at 15% (a lot less than normal producer people). Our problem is free trade and no import tariffs. >>> Doesn't have anything to do with the wars. Its too much spending and >>> a government that discourages domestic business. Hell, the EPA is >>> trying to say that farmers can't make any dust now. >> >>Ok, I'm out again. Keep thinking that wars are cheap and you can keep >>wars going on forever without the social spending to placate the masses. >>Guns and butter, bread and circuses. It all goes together. Either you >>end it all or it all keeps going. >> >>> http://www.news9.com/Global/story.asp?S=12899662 >>> >>> The EPA is being used to ruin the country. It is an instrument of the >>> communists and socialists that support it and indeed live inside it. >>> They don't want farming now, they didn't want the fire booms to burn >>> off the oil, and they didn't want BP to spread dispersants for the >>> oil, even tho the oil is more toxic than the dispersants. The EPA is >>> being used to ruin the country by its leftist enemies. >> >>It's called fascism. Figure it out already. BP is favored, family >>farmers are not. > > Its called cloward Piven. The current socailist president is executing > it and will ruin the country with it. What you advocate is called rightarded stupidity. It is yet another means to fleece the common people for the sake of the rich. -- "Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
From: Brent on 3 Aug 2010 17:37 On 2010-08-03, Michael Coburn <mikcob(a)verizon.net> wrote: > The US economy is failing the middle class because of the lack of tariffs > on imported goods and because of the LACK of individual taxation on > extreme incomes. No. Protectionism and class-warfare taxation helps the politically connected and that's about it. Few in the middle class benefit from the trickledown. > Our problem is free trade and no import tariffs. The media and our rulers call "free trade" is managed trade for the benefit of those with political 'access'. There is very very little free trade in the USA. If you want to see what high import tariffs do, consider all the HFCS that is used instead of sugar. Sure ADM (one of those that profits from HFCS) loves the tariffs, the US sugar companies are I guess happy with who still uses their product. Sure the candy makers have left and other big sugar users converted to HFCS long ago, but they are hanging on. Then other countries respond with their own import tariffs on US goods. Basically the tariff solution also hurts the middle class for the benefit of those with political 'influence'.
From: Dave Head on 3 Aug 2010 18:30 On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:44:37 +0000 (UTC), Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2010-08-03, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote: >> On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 06:14:34 +0000 (UTC), Brent >><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>So what you're saying is that the US federal government is the greatest >>>threat to human life in the world. Great. An evil empire that rules >>>using fear and terror. You become what you hate. Congradulations. You've >>>endorsed everything the USA was supposedly better than. >>> >>>You want to be a world wide bully. How did that work out for the >>>previous empires? Name one that still exists. None. >> >> No, no. Pay attention. _WE_ are the good guys. We are doing what >> we're doing to keep the bad guys from dominating the world. > >HAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHA! > >The rulers of the US of A are not fundamentally and magically better >people than those of previous empires. We the people are the rulers of the USA, and yes we are. Know anyone else that conquers a country, gets them all stood up and functioning again, and just leaves, while failing to enslave the people for their own national gain? Of course you don't. Who shows up at pretty much every natural disaster with troops and equipment to help, aircraft carriers that can prepare food for 1000's of people and have several different hospital sections? Nobody, we're the ones that do that. Who's always the one that's trying to keep peace in the middle east? Its us, while the Euros sit back on their hands and watch. We are fundamentally better than any other nation, and that's a fact. >They are greedy self interested >power hungry control freaks just like those of every other empire in >human history. Simply not true. We do not do the things that Genghis Kahn or Julius Ceaser did. >And the people in the homeland of those empires generally >thought they were the good guys too. Why? Their rulers told them that. We have better communications. We know what's going on. Its called the internet, for one thing. >It is very difficult to bring people to war thinking they are the bad >guys so rulers convince the masses they are the good guys. There are >various tricks to convince people into carrying out occupations, >torture, invasions, etc. Our rulers use modern variations of scams that >have been run for centuries or even thousands of years. Although the >bringing democracy to the world bit is getting kind of old. Wilson >started that one. You would like to have sat back and waited to find out whether Saddam had WMD or not, the hard way? We still can't be 100% sure he didn't - it may have been moved to Syria, we don't absolutely know for sure. >> It is going to fail because the income tax is making the productive >> capacity too expensive, so it leaves the USA. >To pay for guns and butter. To pay for the socialism we already have, and the socialism we're heaping upon our descendants. This place is going to collapse, guaranteed - unless we get rid of the income taxes, and at least Obamacare. Getting rid of SS and Medicare has to come eventually, or it'll still collapse. The guns part is in the Constitution - we pretty much have to do it, both legally and practically, we just have to agree on how effective a military we need. Maybe someday we'll have all the raw materials we need, and won't have to trade with anybody. Then we can go isolationist. Stand down the formal military and rely on a militia. Hope you don't mind giving over a weekend a month and 2 weeks a year to training from age 18 to 65 - that's only - what? 11 X 2 = 22 + 14 = 36 days a year out of your life in order not to have a standing army, having just a militia to repel invasion. Is that expensive? What's 34 days a year to you?
From: Dave Head on 3 Aug 2010 18:31 On 3 Aug 2010 21:26:06 GMT, Michael Coburn <mikcob(a)verizon.net> wrote: >The US economy is failing the middle class because of the lack of tariffs Oh, its you again...
From: bugo on 3 Aug 2010 18:48
"Dave Head" <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote in message news:ue5h56lo53glsnm14rjli2qnp88n1kglcp(a)4ax.com... > On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:44:37 +0000 (UTC), Brent > <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On 2010-08-03, Dave Head <rally2xs(a)att.net> wrote: >>> On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 06:14:34 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>So what you're saying is that the US federal government is the greatest >>>>threat to human life in the world. Great. An evil empire that rules >>>>using fear and terror. You become what you hate. Congradulations. You've >>>>endorsed everything the USA was supposedly better than. >>>> >>>>You want to be a world wide bully. How did that work out for the >>>>previous empires? Name one that still exists. None. >>> >>> No, no. Pay attention. _WE_ are the good guys. We are doing what >>> we're doing to keep the bad guys from dominating the world. >> >>HAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHA! >> >>The rulers of the US of A are not fundamentally and magically better >>people than those of previous empires. > > We the people are the rulers of the USA, and yes we are. > > Know anyone else that conquers a country, gets them all stood up and > functioning again, and just leaves, while failing to enslave the > people for their own national gain? Of course you don't. > > Who shows up at pretty much every natural disaster with troops and > equipment to help, aircraft carriers that can prepare food for 1000's > of people and have several different hospital sections? Nobody, we're > the ones that do that. > > Who's always the one that's trying to keep peace in the middle east? > Its us, while the Euros sit back on their hands and watch. > > We are fundamentally better than any other nation, and that's a fact. > >>They are greedy self interested >>power hungry control freaks just like those of every other empire in >>human history. > > Simply not true. We do not do the things that Genghis Kahn or Julius > Ceaser did. > >>And the people in the homeland of those empires generally >>thought they were the good guys too. Why? Their rulers told them that. > > We have better communications. We know what's going on. Its called > the internet, for one thing. > >>It is very difficult to bring people to war thinking they are the bad >>guys so rulers convince the masses they are the good guys. There are >>various tricks to convince people into carrying out occupations, >>torture, invasions, etc. Our rulers use modern variations of scams that >>have been run for centuries or even thousands of years. Although the >>bringing democracy to the world bit is getting kind of old. Wilson >>started that one. > > You would like to have sat back and waited to find out whether Saddam > had WMD or not, the hard way? We still can't be 100% sure he didn't - > it may have been moved to Syria, we don't absolutely know for sure. > >>> It is going to fail because the income tax is making the productive >>> capacity too expensive, so it leaves the USA. > >>To pay for guns and butter. > > To pay for the socialism we already have, and the socialism we're > heaping upon our descendants. This place is going to collapse, > guaranteed - unless we get rid of the income taxes, and at least > Obamacare. Getting rid of SS and Medicare has to come eventually, or > it'll still collapse. The guns part is in the Constitution - we > pretty much have to do it, both legally and practically, we just have > to agree on how effective a military we need. Maybe someday we'll > have all the raw materials we need, and won't have to trade with > anybody. Then we can go isolationist. Stand down the formal military > and rely on a militia. Hope you don't mind giving over a weekend a > month and 2 weeks a year to training from age 18 to 65 - that's only - > what? 11 X 2 = 22 + 14 = 36 days a year out of your life in order not > to have a standing army, having just a militia to repel invasion. Is > that expensive? What's 34 days a year to you? You're a raving lunatic. PLONK |