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From: Dave Plowman on 6 Jun 2010 08:16 In article <871duhF263U2(a)mid.individual.net>, JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote: > Dave Plowman wrote: > > In article <86vtngFdigU6(a)mid.individual.net>, > > JNugent <JN(a)npptg.com> wrote: > >>>> they usually go back to the depot on a regular basis, black cabs > >>>> don't usually have a depot > >>> A black cab doesn't follow a route or a timetable. And the drivers > >>> are all - or mostly - self employed so what they do in terms of > >>> breaks is up to them. > > > >> They are all self-employed. > > > >> There is no employment-and-wages model that would work. > > > > Then obviously they can take a break when and where it suits them. Is that > > too difficult for you to understand? > Not at all. > When was it raised as an issue, what is its relevance and did you have a > point to try to make about it? Since you joined this thread rather late on you could try reading and understanding what was written earlier. It was all explained so a five year old could follow. -- *Procrastinate now Dave Plowman dave(a)davesound.co.uk London SW 12
From: Adrian on 6 Jun 2010 11:13 Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Nope. Why is it nobody seems to understand the multi-faceted concept of > anarchy around here? The "multi-faceted concept"? Is that a smokescreen to try to ignore the inherent contradictions and hypocrisies? > Also have you ever heard of a 'call-out' from an individual, where > others may individually decide to attend? You mean that somebody ORGANISES an event for people to attend if they wish?
From: JNugent on 6 Jun 2010 16:45 Dave Plowman wrote: > JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote: >>> They only go to the garage at the end of the day - so how is that >>> different from a cab? >> Very few cabs have garages at all, except when they need service or >> repair. The driver usually takes the vehicle home or to the home of >> another driver on the opposite shift. > At one time the carriage office required them to be garaged when not in > use. But not now. So that's irrelevant. > However, I assume the driver has a loo at his home - same as there > would be one at a bus garage? Or have you completely lost the plot? I think it might be you that's lost the plot, since you seem to have forgotten what the discussion was about. A driver can certainly go home to use the toilet, I suppose. If he lives in Lambeth, that's one thing. If he lives in Watford, Crawley or Chelmsford (and plenty do), that's another thing. >> The authorised standing place at either end of the route is a clue. One >> of those is usually at a bus station or in a spot where the facilities >> exist nearby. > Since a cab driver has no route, what is the relevance? It means that he will not necessarily find himself, in due course, in a position where he can lawfully leave his cab for a while to use a toilet. >> I'm not saying that bus-drivers can't encounter a problem. Only that it >> is already recognised and covered (to some extent) within the >> organisation of the working day. The problem for a cab-driver in >> London, though (which is where the concern is raised) is particularly >> acute. > Absolute rubbish. Most people manage to time their loo breaks round work. Most people indeed do manage that, since they are provided - by law - with toilet facilities at their workplace. Are you managing to follow the point, at all? > Except on rare occasions. Cab drivers tend to stick to a particular area > so should know where the loos are. And if they get caught short and have > to stop in a restricted area to use a public loo, why should they be > treated differently from any other - like say a van driver? Ah... so you *do* say that if a cab-driver uses his knowledge to locate a local public toilet, and uses it, he should get a parking ticket. Ever heard of "Catch 22"? It seesm that it is your mindset - and that of people who "think" like you - which those drivers are seeking to challenge. They've clearly got their work cut out. >>> And some routes take a very long time to cover. A cab driver can stop >>> any time he wants - unlike a bus driver. He can only stop if he is allowed to stop. You've already made your position clear on that: you think he should stop to use a toilet only if prepared to pay a �60 FPN for the privilege. That, of course, is the issue. Not exactly a liberal on these matters, are you, hmmm? >> Being able to stop and being allowed to stop without penalty are two >> different things. > A bus driver can get fined too for stopping in an unauthorised place. Different legislation. There is no "unauthorised place" as far as taxis are concerned. Just yellow and red lines. >>> A licensed black cab driver could >>> also be expected to know the location of loos etc. >> Indeed. That isn't the problem. The problem is stopping on a double >> yellow or red line. > It's a total non event. Just typical of some black cab drivers thinking > they deserve special treatment. Er... yes... you say that it's �60 to stop and use the toilet, like or lump it, so one wonders what on Earth the fuss can be about, eh? How reasonable can you be?
From: JNugent on 6 Jun 2010 16:47 Dave Plowman wrote: > JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote: >>> Stop either a few yards earlier or later. It's called having >>> consideration for other road users. Something you wouldn't know about. >> So you *do* want the passenger dropped off in a spot other than where he >> wants to go, for your enhanced convenience. >> I see. > For the convenience of others. You really have lost the plot. So not for your convenience t all, then, only for the convenience of "others"...,? Yeah, right. >>>> Let him off the fare if he takes a little too long in paying for your >>>> liking? >>> Were you born a prat or did you have to work on it? >> Don't be silly. It was you who was calling for inconvenience for others >> (the passengers) in order to bolster your own convenience. And it was >> you who was complaining that a passenger took longer than you would >> have liked to count out the fare, therebu holding you up. >> Where you born that selfish or did you acquire it later in life? > Given the cab didn't stop outside a house or shop etc door, the passenger > would still have to walk to his final destination. You don't know what he wants to do next. Not every taxi journey ends at the passenger's final destination. Is this too hard for you... understanding that other people have needs and requirements...? > But of course your > views on being able to park or drive anywhere you wish are well known. > Are you in fact a cab driver? Unfortunately not.
From: JNugent on 6 Jun 2010 16:47
Dave Plowman wrote: > In article <871duhF263U2(a)mid.individual.net>, > JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote: >> Dave Plowman wrote: >>> In article <86vtngFdigU6(a)mid.individual.net>, >>> JNugent <JN(a)npptg.com> wrote: >>>>>> they usually go back to the depot on a regular basis, black cabs >>>>>> don't usually have a depot >>>>> A black cab doesn't follow a route or a timetable. And the drivers >>>>> are all - or mostly - self employed so what they do in terms of >>>>> breaks is up to them. >>>> They are all self-employed. >>>> There is no employment-and-wages model that would work. >>> Then obviously they can take a break when and where it suits them. Is that >>> too difficult for you to understand? > >> Not at all. > >> When was it raised as an issue, what is its relevance and did you have a >> point to try to make about it? > > Since you joined this thread rather late on you could try reading and > understanding what was written earlier. It was all explained so a five > year old could follow. So why didn't you follow it? |