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From: Dave Plowman on 7 Jun 2010 12:51 In article <874jciF294U1(a)mid.individual.net>, JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote: > > A bus driver not. If that taxi driver decides he needs a break of any > > kind, he can take it when *he* wants - unlike a bus driver. What is it > > that makes this so difficult for you to grasp? > It's actually very little to do with bus-drivers, despoite your attempts > to narrow the topic in that direction. Bus-drivers (and, where they > still exist, bus-conductors) can have a problem with calls of nature > (that has been accepted at every stage), but at least the predictable > natire of their day's work ameliorates that and some attempt is made to > address the problem (with the stop at each end of the route). And just how many taxi journeys are the length of a bus route? Very very few as a percentage, is my guess. > The problem faced by taxi-drivers in Central London is not the same as > that faced by any other group of workers. Please explain why. But other drivers etc. 'Workers' are more likely to have a work place. > But we already know your "solution" to the problem is: charge thenm a > �60 prking fine for using the toilet. And your solution would be to let them park anywhere they wanted to? Why restrict this to taxis? -- Dave Plowman dave(a)davesound.co.uk London SW 12
From: JNugent on 8 Jun 2010 04:35 Dave Plowman wrote: > JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote: >>> A bus driver not. If that taxi driver decides he needs a break of any >>> kind, he can take it when *he* wants - unlike a bus driver. What is it >>> that makes this so difficult for you to grasp? >> It's actually very little to do with bus-drivers, despoite your attempts >> to narrow the topic in that direction. Bus-drivers (and, where they >> still exist, bus-conductors) can have a problem with calls of nature >> (that has been accepted at every stage), but at least the predictable >> natire of their day's work ameliorates that and some attempt is made to >> address the problem (with the stop at each end of the route). > And just how many taxi journeys are the length of a bus route? Very very > few as a percentage, is my guess. I would guess the same, though it has very little, if anything, to do with The Point. >> The problem faced by taxi-drivers in Central London is not the same as >> that faced by any other group of workers. > Please explain why. But other drivers etc. 'Workers' are more likely to > have a work place. Exactly. Other drivers may indeed have a problem. It's hard to think of many who spend their entire working day in Central London *and* don't have a depot or similar to stop at (delivery/collection, etc), but it is theoretically possible. Of course, that possibility does not say anything about the problem faced by taxi-drivers, which is just as real whether if it is shared by some other drivers or not. >> But we already know your "solution" to the problem is: charge thenm a >> �60 prking fine for using the toilet. > And your solution would be to let them park anywhere they wanted to? Why > restrict this to taxis? I don't think they're asking to be allowed to park outside Harrod's or Fortnum's whilst doing their shopping. I think they are asking for some slack to be cut whilst the driver is using a public toilet. Is there something intrinsically wrong with that approach? Or does it fail to penalise taxi-drivers for nothing in particular as severely as you would prefer?
From: Dave Plowman on 8 Jun 2010 05:14 In article <876dlsF3pqU1(a)mid.individual.net>, JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote: > > And your solution would be to let them park anywhere they wanted to? > > Why restrict this to taxis? > I don't think they're asking to be allowed to park outside Harrod's or > Fortnum's whilst doing their shopping. I think they are asking for some > slack to be cut whilst the driver is using a public toilet. I'll ask again. Why should only a cab driver be given this privilege? Do you consider them somehow more important than others who make a living by driving, like say delivery van drivers? Or indeed the general public? > Is there something intrinsically wrong with that approach? Very much so. It would be very open to abuse. > Or does it fail to penalise taxi-drivers for nothing in particular as > severely as you would prefer? As I thought. You seem to think parking restrictions should only apply to some. Thinking of the part of London I live in, I would have no difficulty in parking up to use a public loo. Of course you might have pay to park at some of them. Given cab drivers are meant to have an intimate knowledge of all of London, they should be able to do the same. -- *Procrastinate now Dave Plowman dave(a)davesound.co.uk London SW 12
From: Brimstone on 8 Jun 2010 05:37 "JNugent" <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote in message news:876dlsF3pqU1(a)mid.individual.net... > Dave Plowman wrote: > >> JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote: > >>>> A bus driver not. If that taxi driver decides he needs a break of any >>>> kind, he can take it when *he* wants - unlike a bus driver. What is it >>>> that makes this so difficult for you to grasp? > >>> It's actually very little to do with bus-drivers, despoite your attempts >>> to narrow the topic in that direction. Bus-drivers (and, where they >>> still exist, bus-conductors) can have a problem with calls of nature >>> (that has been accepted at every stage), but at least the predictable >>> natire of their day's work ameliorates that and some attempt is made to >>> address the problem (with the stop at each end of the route). > >> And just how many taxi journeys are the length of a bus route? Very very >> few as a percentage, is my guess. > > I would guess the same, though it has very little, if anything, to do with > The Point. > >>> The problem faced by taxi-drivers in Central London is not the same as >>> that faced by any other group of workers. > >> Please explain why. But other drivers etc. 'Workers' are more likely to >> have a work place. > > Exactly. > > Other drivers may indeed have a problem. It's hard to think of many who > spend their entire working day in Central London *and* don't have a depot > or similar to stop at (delivery/collection, etc), but it is theoretically > possible. Parcel delivery drivers certainly fall into that bracket. However, they do have the option of asking to use the loo at a delivery point (and often get strange looks as if to say "Why can't you use the one at your base?") but might well be stopped on a yellow line. When I did the job for a while, the depot was at Isleworth (west London) and I was making deliveries in the West End/Westminster and surrounding areas of London and in central/southwest London. The depot covered more areas of London and Surrey.
From: Brimstone on 8 Jun 2010 05:40
"Dave Plowman" <dave(a)davesound.co.uk> wrote in message news:51241543b4dave(a)davenoise.co.uk... > In article <876dlsF3pqU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > JNugent <JN(a)nonexistentaddress.com> wrote: >> > And your solution would be to let them park anywhere they wanted to? >> > Why restrict this to taxis? > >> I don't think they're asking to be allowed to park outside Harrod's or >> Fortnum's whilst doing their shopping. I think they are asking for some >> slack to be cut whilst the driver is using a public toilet. > > I'll ask again. Why should only a cab driver be given this privilege? Do > you consider them somehow more important than others who make a living by > driving, like say delivery van drivers? Or indeed the general public? > >> Is there something intrinsically wrong with that approach? > > Very much so. It would be very open to abuse. > >> Or does it fail to penalise taxi-drivers for nothing in particular as >> severely as you would prefer? > > As I thought. You seem to think parking restrictions should only apply to > some. > > Thinking of the part of London I live in, I would have no difficulty in > parking up to use a public loo. Of course you might have pay to park at > some of them. Given cab drivers are meant to have an intimate knowledge of > all of London, they should be able to do the same. > No, not "all of London". Quote from http://www.taxiknowledge.co.uk/how.html#KNOW "The "All London" licence requires you to have a detailed knowledge of the 25,000 streets within a six mile radius of Charing Cross with a more general knowledge of the major arterial routes throughout the rest of London." |