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From: Alan Baker on 15 Jun 2010 00:14 In article <hv6uac$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2010-06-15, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > > In article > ><d1f7e613-79d5-4b9e-a10d-2526ca4c8ddd(a)c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, > > gpsman <gpsman(a)driversmail.com> wrote: > > >> You can rationalize 6M crashes and 40K fatals as reasonable and > >> accidental however you wish, but safety professionals agree the vast > >> majority are easily preventable. > > > Yet neither your government nor mine appears to be interested in doing > > anything real about it. > > Government's idea of safety is the same as a feudal lord or a slave > owner, control. That control is a great cost. Living under the thumb > of control freaks isn't worth the marginal safety improvements. That > control will only result in more infintile drivers looking for someone > else to do the work of driving for them. > > Like most things driving is clearly safer with less control. It's safer > in small towns where all the confusing signs, signals, etc are removed > and there is more integration and people are expected to pay attention. > It's safer on the limited access highways when speed limits are removed. > It's just plain safer when people are responsible for their own safety > and cannot look to a government agency or a cop or some other controller > to make it safe for them while playing their little control freak games > on the road. Sorry, Brent, but I think you're overstating the case. I think you imagine a planned level of evil intent that really isn't there. Mostly I think there is incompetence and a desire to appear to be doing something; to make that something simple so that you can blame it for all your problems. So we get "Speed kills" instead of actual improvements in driver training. -- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Brent on 15 Jun 2010 08:44 On 2010-06-15, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: > In article <hv6uac$so2$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 2010-06-15, Alan Baker <alangbaker(a)telus.net> wrote: >> > In article >> ><d1f7e613-79d5-4b9e-a10d-2526ca4c8ddd(a)c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, >> > gpsman <gpsman(a)driversmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> You can rationalize 6M crashes and 40K fatals as reasonable and >> >> accidental however you wish, but safety professionals agree the vast >> >> majority are easily preventable. >> >> > Yet neither your government nor mine appears to be interested in doing >> > anything real about it. >> >> Government's idea of safety is the same as a feudal lord or a slave >> owner, control. That control is a great cost. Living under the thumb >> of control freaks isn't worth the marginal safety improvements. That >> control will only result in more infintile drivers looking for someone >> else to do the work of driving for them. >> Like most things driving is clearly safer with less control. It's safer >> in small towns where all the confusing signs, signals, etc are removed >> and there is more integration and people are expected to pay attention. >> It's safer on the limited access highways when speed limits are removed. >> It's just plain safer when people are responsible for their own safety >> and cannot look to a government agency or a cop or some other controller >> to make it safe for them while playing their little control freak games >> on the road. > Sorry, Brent, but I think you're overstating the case. I think you > imagine a planned level of evil intent that really isn't there. Why does it have to be planned? It's the general nature of control freaks to solve a problem with controls, punishments, etc. But as far as a plan goes, I have to look no further than the words of Ray LaHood, current US secretary of transportation. > Mostly I think there is incompetence and a desire to appear to be doing > something; to make that something simple so that you can blame it for > all your problems. But who comes up with what to do? Who writes these laws? > So we get "Speed kills" instead of actual improvements in driver > training. Which is very profitable. Look at the road safety solutions that take hold. There are very very few that don't increase revenue collection and/or allow the state and its police forces to further intrude into our lives. We get checkpoints and speed traps and private-public partnerships to extract money from people's wallets. They expand government and those closest to it. Pure incompetence would not be so one-minded.
From: Arif Khokar on 15 Jun 2010 19:06 On 6/5/2010 6:12 PM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote: > * Two lane highway is posted at 45 mph or even 55 mph, super-speeder > would be driving 70+ mph or even 80+ mph--you get the idea, that is way > too fast for the design of the road. Many two lane highways can be driven at 70 mph without issue. > * Multilane highway or interstate is posted at 65 mph, super-speeder > would be driving 90+ mph, only in the lightest traffic conditions might > this be possible given an ultra-skilled driver but is still generally > way too fast for the design of the interstate highway. Actually, 90 mph is within the realm of typical speeds on multilane interstate highways and isn't unsafe in and of itself. > Final analysis by me, the law is fair and just, Not in the slightest.
From: Nate Nagel on 15 Jun 2010 19:23 On 06/05/2010 06:12 PM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote: > "lil abner" <@daisy.mae> wrote in message > news:bIeOn.94935$0B5.10227(a)newsfe05.iad... >> it's all about money >> http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/jun/04/tennessee-super-speeder-bill-will-return-next-year/ >> > > It's actually quite reasonable: > > "The bill, as amended, would have subjected motorists speeding 25 miles > per hour above posted limits to fines of up to $500." > > If you think of it: > > * School zone or residential area speed limit is 25 mph, super-speeder > would be driving 50+ mph--that's two lane road highway speeds, well > deserving of a speeding ticket. agree here. > * Business district speed limit of 35 mph, super-speeder would be > driving 60+ mph--that's multilane highway/interstate speeds, in a > business district. probably here too. > * Two lane highway is posted at 45 mph or even 55 mph, super-speeder > would be driving 70+ mph or even 80+ mph--you get the idea, that is way > too fast for the design of the road. 70 MPH on a deserted, straight two lane is not in and of itself dangerous. > * Multilane highway or interstate is posted at 65 mph, super-speeder > would be driving 90+ mph, only in the lightest traffic conditions might > this be possible given an ultra-skilled driver but is still generally > way too fast for the design of the interstate highway. Neither is 90 MPH on a typical Interstate. In fact it it not much faster than the speeds people are already driving. > > Final analysis by me, the law is fair and just, and it needs to be a > federal law governing all 50 states. (If you think of it, for such a > high magnitude speed limit violation, the $500 fine is actually too low.) well, that's not the dumbest thing you've posted this week, but it's in up there. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel
From: Brent on 15 Jun 2010 21:51
On 2010-06-05, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote: > * Two lane highway is posted at 45 mph or even 55 mph, super-speeder would > be driving 70+ mph or even 80+ mph--you get the idea, that is way too fast > for the design of the road. > * Multilane highway or interstate is posted at 65 mph, super-speeder would > be driving 90+ mph, only in the lightest traffic conditions might this be > possible given an ultra-skilled driver but is still generally way too fast > for the design of the interstate highway. What do you declare to be the upper bound safe speed for the limited access highway pictured in the link below with the traffic conditions shown? http://www.flickr.com/photos/24179772(a)N05/4705052998/ How about this one? http://www.flickr.com/photos/24179772(a)N05/4704466509/ BTW, if 90mph requires 'ultra-skills' then the average German driver is ultra skilled. With such ultra skills so common one would think that Germans should dominate all forms of auto racing. |