From: Orval Fairbairn on 5 Nov 2009 22:39 In article <au66f5to1vi0bk7118a8aj5co7p8u8kjta(a)4ax.com>, Clark F Morris <cfmpublic(a)ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:11:06 -0400, Orval Fairbairn > <o_r_fairbairn(a)earth_link.net> wrote: > > >In article <61p5f5pvqc5kjup6srt76gossfmt9h81m9(a)4ax.com>, > > Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent > >> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said: > >> > >> >On 2009-11-05, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Brent > >> >><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> said: > >> >> > >> >>>On 2009-11-04, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>>>Yeah, because transit is supported by all forms of taxation, not just > >> >>>>>taxes aimed at transportation. > >> >>> > >> >>>> And you think roads are not? > >> >>> > >> >>>I've been over this already. > >> >> > >> >> So have I. See the first post this this thread, which clearly shows > >> >> that the same is true for roads. > >> > > >> >It doesn't show much of anything really. The 'non-transportation' taxes > >> >I pay that go to transit, go almost entirely to transit that is rather > >> >distant from me > >> > >> "Proximity to Brent" is irrelevant. The fact remains, roads are > >> supported by all forms of taxation, just like transit is. In some > >> cases (Orange County Measure M) the same tax supports both. > >> > >> QED. > > > >... but roads are far more useful than transit -- anybody can use them; > >they are compatible with the equipment that uses other roads; they have > >direct access on a 24/7 schedule; their use doesn't depend on somebody > >else's schedule. > > Try walking, bicycling or using a horse and buggy on a freeway > (actually there are some where you can but not many). Try driving a > car if you're blind. Transit isn't everything but for many it is > useful. It would be far cheaper for the government to pay for taxi service for those individuals than to build huge mass-transit systems. -- Remove _'s from email address to talk to me.
From: rshersh on 6 Nov 2009 00:40 > > It would be far cheaper for the government to pay for taxi service for > those individuals than to build huge mass-transit systems. > > - oh, really 5.5 million a DAY use NYC transit Look at the problems with the Phila transit strike do you really think taxis can handle millions of rides?
From: rshersh on 6 Nov 2009 00:43 > > ... but roads are far more useful than transit -- anybody can use them; > they are compatible with the equipment that uses other roads; they have > direct access on a 24/7 schedule; their use doesn't depend on somebody > else's schedule. > > -- and they require a very heavy subsidy those overloaded trucks do tremendous damage
From: Scott M. Kozel on 6 Nov 2009 07:15 Bernd Felsche <berfel(a)innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote: > > "Scott M. Kozel" <kozelsm(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >> 99% of the public road mileage is non-limited-access. > > Source of stats? And how are the 99% measured? Centerline miles. In the U.S. there are over 4 million miles of public roads, and about 44 thousand miles of Interstate highways. -- Scott M. Kozel Highway and Transportation History Websites Virginia/Maryland/Washington, D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com Capital Beltway Projects http://www.capital-beltway.com Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com
From: Jim Yanik on 6 Nov 2009 08:05
"Scott M. Kozel" <kozelsm(a)comcast.net> wrote in news:hcvvok$tf1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > Clark F Morris <cfmpublic(a)ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >> Orval Fairbairn <o_r_fairbairn(a)earth_link.net> wrote: >> >>> ... but roads are far more useful than transit -- anybody can use >>> them; they are compatible with the equipment that uses other roads; >>> they have direct access on a 24/7 schedule; their use doesn't depend >>> on somebody else's schedule. >> >> Try walking, bicycling or using a horse and buggy on a freeway >> (actually there are some where you can but not many). > > 99% of the public road mileage is non-limited-access. > >> Try driving a car if you're blind. > > You don't have to drive a car to travel in it. > >> Transit isn't everything but for many it is useful. > > Roads carry transit buses, car pools and van pools. > and the food you eat,your medicines. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |