The Automobile Subsidy
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From: gpsman on 15 Nov 2009 00:53 On Nov 14, 11:01 pm, hanco...(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > On Nov 14, 5:53 pm, gpsman <gps...(a)driversmail.com> wrote: > > > Perhaps motorists like being employed and do not share your disdain > > for the contributions of trucking to the economy on which those jobs > > depend. Maybe they don't like waiting for trains at crossings, > > especially at switchyards. Maybe they don't like being stuck behind > > buses. > > What about those motorists and pedestrians who are forced to wait > behind huge trucks blocking streets as they make turns? That's the time and impetus government allots for them to come up with alternate modes of transport, for themselves and/or trucks. > What about those motorists who have to pay for the damage trucks do to > the highways? They get to not pay for highways trucks won't damage and compensate the trucking industry for the 75% of fatal car-truck collisions caused by 4-wheelers (and the cost of defending those unjustified lawsuits and the judgments rendered by juries who know only the two things about trucking everybody who has never driven a truck think they know.) http://www.aaafoundation.org/pdf/CarTruck.pdf ----- - gpsman
From: jim on 15 Nov 2009 07:50 gpsman wrote: > You're out of argument. You've nothing to resort to but > substantiating your assertions or <plonk>. That is correct. You want to create an argument over the simplest of concepts such as " the sky is blue". I'm out of arguments on that one too..... -jim
From: John S on 15 Nov 2009 12:37 x-no-archive: yes hancock4(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > On Nov 14, 5:53 pm, gpsman <gps...(a)driversmail.com> wrote: > >> Perhaps motorists like being employed and do not share your disdain >> for the contributions of trucking to the economy on which those jobs >> depend. Maybe they don't like waiting for trains at crossings, >> especially at switchyards. Maybe they don't like being stuck behind >> buses. > > What about those motorists and pedestrians who are forced to wait > behind huge trucks blocking streets as they make turns? That's an interesting logic. So-- what about those trucks that are "forced" to wait in rush hour traffic, or vehicle traffic that is "forced" to wait for pedestrians crossing streets?
From: John S on 15 Nov 2009 12:40 hancock4(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > On Nov 14, 10:42 pm, John S <joh...(a)no.spam> wrote: >> hanco...(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote: >>> On Nov 11, 9:10 pm, russo...(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) >>> wrote: >>>>> Except there are many freeways and Interstates in NJ that are not toll >>>>> roads. >>>> Sure, there's I-295 in the northwest, and I-195 across the center. >>>> But a rather large proportion of NJs major highways are toll. >>> A very quick look at a road map of NJ shows: >>> I-80, I-287, I-280, I-78, free segment of GSP >>> NJ 15, NJ 21, NJ 3, NJ 18, NJ 42, NJ 55 >>> Notably, many of these roads carry extremely high volumes of traffic. >> Listing random route numbers is very interesting, but doesn't change the >> fact that toll lanes make up a very high percentage of overall freeway >> lane miles, relative to other states, which helps explain the points >> made a few posts ago. > > Is it really that high a percentage? Quite a few lane miles are > free. Further, the free express roads carry quite a bit of traffic. > The AC Expy is a busy road, So is the New Jersey Turnpike. but I don't think it comes up to the > traffic volums carried by I-80. Please read what I wrote once more, specifically the phrase "relative to other states." What state has a higher percentage of tolled lane miles as a proportion of the total state freeway lane miles than New Jersey? > > Don't forget there are segments of the GSP that are free. True, the vast majority of GSP lane miles are not free.
From: rshersh on 15 Nov 2009 17:32
On Nov 15, 12:40 pm, John S <joh...(a)no.spam> wrote: > hanco...(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > > On Nov 14, 10:42 pm, John S <joh...(a)no.spam> wrote: > >> hanco...(a)bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > >>> On Nov 11, 9:10 pm, russo...(a)grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) > >>> wrote: > >>>>> Except there are many freeways and Interstates in NJ that are not toll > >>>>> roads. > >>>> Sure, there's I-295 in the northwest, and I-195 across the center. > >>>> But a rather large proportion of NJs major highways are toll. > >>> A very quick look at a road map of NJ shows: > >>> I-80, I-287, I-280, I-78, free segment of GSP > >>> NJ 15, NJ 21, NJ 3, NJ 18, NJ 42, NJ 55 > >>> Notably, many of these roads carry extremely high volumes of traffic. > >> Listing random route numbers is very interesting, but doesn't change the > >> fact that toll lanes make up a very high percentage of overall freeway > >> lane miles, relative to other states, which helps explain the points > >> made a few posts ago. > > > Is it really that high a percentage? Quite a few lane miles are > > free. Further, the free express roads carry quite a bit of traffic. > > The AC Expy is a busy road, > > So is the New Jersey Turnpike. > > but I don't think it comes up to the > > > traffic volums carried by I-80. > > Please read what I wrote once more, specifically the phrase "relative to > other states." What state has a higher percentage of tolled lane miles > as a proportion of the total state freeway lane miles than New Jersey? and how many states have a lower state gas tax then NJ due to those high percentage of tolled lanes???? why so oyu suppose that state gas tax stays as low as it does???? |