From: atec77 on 19 Jul 2010 01:56
On 19/07/2010 1:43 PM, Albm&ctd wrote:
> In article<4c43c0d4$0$28667$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>,
> dwalford(a)internode.on.net says...
>> On 19/07/2010 9:35 AM, Noddy wrote:
>>> "John_H"<john4721(a)inbox.com> wrote in message
>>>> Maybe if you were lucky.
>>> Or persistant.
>>>> I knew a conscientious objector who tried to take the legal way out.
>>>> He was handed over to the army by the law court and given the job of
>>>> painting army huts with a toothbrush. Nor was he allowed to take the
>>>> paint can up the ladder. He survived the two years but wasn't the
>>>> full quid when I met him.
>>>> Such was/is the military mentality!
>>> I don't know if it still is, but it certainly was. The Army used to survive
>>> on bastardisation.
>> According to my Warrant Officer brother not much of that goes on any
>> more although my guess it would be near impossible to wipe it out
>> He complains that he is not even allowed to verbally abuse the troops
>> any more:-)
> Are the troops allowed to do a little dance and slap him with a wet fish or two?
They can still get in the ring and belt him about if able though
From: Noddy on 19 Jul 2010 02:04
"Bernd Felsche" <berfel(a)innovative.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> All in the tradition of "Yes! Prime Minister":
> "I am their leader. I must follow."
From: Noddy on 19 Jul 2010 02:11
"Kev" <kevcat(a)optunet.com.au> wrote in message
> So why focus on a few in boats
As I said: Because they're *obvious*.
> the Govt is spending millions to stop a few thousand in boats yet let
> through 10 times that many walk right past them
Um, no, they don't.
The overwhelming majority enter the country through our airports, and the
various government departments intercept the bulk of them. The problem is
that they only arrive a few at a time intermingled with other legitimate
travelers and when they're intercepted it's not very dramatic.
Okay for a slow news day or for a "Customs" TV show, but it's not as much of
a headline as a rickety old boat with a couple hundred queue jumpers on it.
> why are there no great campaigns to hunt down all illegals, Oh they are
> not all Muslims
I don't think there's any great campaign for any of them, but illegals are
being caught every day. Be they those who arrive by boat, those who arrive
by plane without a visa or those who overstay their welcome.
> It'd be easy, just check out every Cab driver, surely you'd nab 1/2 of
> them there
You might indeed.
From: Noddy on 19 Jul 2010 02:26
"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
> As you said previously they weren't compelled to go to Vietnam but from
> what I understand the pressure from their superiors and their peers to go
> there was enormous.
I'm sure it was, but if you really didn't want to go it would have been
awfully difficult for them to drag you over there by the ankles.
> The financial incentives they get when they go OS these days are very
> generous, I don't know what my brother got for going to Afghanistan but my
> nephew did very well financially out of his 2 6mth tours of East Timor, I
> can't remember the exact details but it was something like getting his
> normal pay tax free plus an extra $1500.00 per week tax free in bonuses
> from the UN.
A mate of mine did the same and he also benefitted out of it greatly.
I had two uncles who went to Vietnam and they both signed up as soon as they
could as they wanted to qualify for low interest defence loans when they got
back, and they also saw it as a "bit of fun".
They enjoyed themselves over there apparently (one ended up in the SAS, and
the other was an engineer), but they're not all that flash today. One, the
engineer, died of cancer some years ago, and the other only has one lung.
From: D Walford on 19 Jul 2010 03:22
On 19/07/2010 4:26 PM, Noddy wrote:
> I had two uncles who went to Vietnam and they both signed up as soon as they
> could as they wanted to qualify for low interest defence loans when they got
> back, and they also saw it as a "bit of fun".
> They enjoyed themselves over there apparently (one ended up in the SAS, and
> the other was an engineer), but they're not all that flash today. One, the
> engineer, died of cancer some years ago, and the other only has one lung.
The stories you hear vary greatly from blokes coming back completely
fucked in the head with a lot turning to drink and drugs to others who
seemed to of enjoyed the experience and anything in between.
I avoided being called up mostly because of my age, I had to register
for the draft but it was mostly all over before my number had a chance
to come up.