The fragility of car computers revealed.
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From: Roger Merriman on 23 May 2010 11:27 Phil W Lee <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote: > Marie <marie.lawrie(a)yahoo.co.uk> considered Sat, 22 May 2010 01:35:54 > -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write: > > > > >Yet again Doug uses the old 'cops are against cyclists, because cops > >are car drivers' rubbish. > > Maybe you should look at some actual statistics before arguing with > this one. > > Then you would see that cyclists are indeed targeted by the police to > a degree out of all proportion to the danger they represent to others, > where the far more dangerous motorist behaviours are largely ignored. they are, but they are also viewed as a anti social behavour, which to be honest is fair enough. a sizeable number of cyclists ride like fools. roger -- www.rogermerriman.com
From: Brimstone on 23 May 2010 12:00 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:09a95adb-36a8-4e27-bd2b-80603cd37720(a)q8g2000vbm.googlegroups.com... > On 23 May, 15:26, Bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >> > On 23 May, 09:49, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >> >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> >>news:8add536f-2520-4b07-8034-97f341e2f969(a)z33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >>> On 21 May, 09:59, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >> >>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:54:07 +0100 >> >>>> Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>>>>> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very >> >>>>>>> vulnerable >> >>>>>>> to attack, say experts. >> >>>>> And just how do they get access to it, Doug? >> >>>> Doug seems to forget that his bicycle is vulnerable to a large stick >> >>>> in >> >>>> the wheel spokes. Beware of those nasty trees doug! >> >>> Unlike the defective car driver though the cyclist would be unlikely >> >>> to inure anyone but himself. >> >> Most car accidents don't injure anyone - they are just minor bumps. >> >> Unlike >> >> most bicycle accidents where people tend to injure hands and knees. >> >> > They are not euphemistic 'accidents' they are 'crashes'. Car crashes >> > are far more dangerous than bicycle crashes and kill very many mmore >> > people. >> >> > >> >> Change the record Doug. >> > OK how about getting back to the thread title? Have you ever > experienced a computer crash? If so, can you imagine what might happen > with a computer which controls speed and braking, etc? > No computer controls braking and if one controlling speed fails then the car will stop. Happy now?
From: The Medway Handyman on 23 May 2010 12:35 Brimstone wrote: > "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >>> Change the record Doug. >>> >> OK how about getting back to the thread title? Have you ever >> experienced a computer crash? If so, can you imagine what might >> happen with a computer which controls speed and braking, etc? >> > No computer controls braking and if one controlling speed fails then > the car will stop. > > Happy now? No. It can happen all too easily. It happened to me once. I was in southern Nevada USA, near the air force base, Area 51 I think it was called, driving along, minding my own business - and all of a sudden the cars computer started speaking in this funny voice, and the car started going faster & then it took off. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport.
From: Ian Dalziel on 23 May 2010 12:58 On Sun, 23 May 2010 17:00:12 +0100, "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >news:09a95adb-36a8-4e27-bd2b-80603cd37720(a)q8g2000vbm.googlegroups.com... >> On 23 May, 15:26, Bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>> Doug wrote: >>> > On 23 May, 09:49, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>> >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >>> >>> >>news:8add536f-2520-4b07-8034-97f341e2f969(a)z33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> >>> On 21 May, 09:59, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:54:07 +0100 >>> >>>> Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very >>> >>>>>>> vulnerable >>> >>>>>>> to attack, say experts. >>> >>>>> And just how do they get access to it, Doug? >>> >>>> Doug seems to forget that his bicycle is vulnerable to a large stick >>> >>>> in >>> >>>> the wheel spokes. Beware of those nasty trees doug! >>> >>> Unlike the defective car driver though the cyclist would be unlikely >>> >>> to inure anyone but himself. >>> >> Most car accidents don't injure anyone - they are just minor bumps. >>> >> Unlike >>> >> most bicycle accidents where people tend to injure hands and knees. >>> >>> > They are not euphemistic 'accidents' they are 'crashes'. Car crashes >>> > are far more dangerous than bicycle crashes and kill very many mmore >>> > people. >>> >>> > >>> >>> Change the record Doug. >>> >> OK how about getting back to the thread title? Have you ever >> experienced a computer crash? If so, can you imagine what might happen >> with a computer which controls speed and braking, etc? >> >No computer controls braking and if one controlling speed fails then the car >will stop. > >Happy now? > But what about the etc? -- Ian D
From: Brimstone on 23 May 2010 13:06
"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote in message news:ulniv5t11kqgmgsv5tvkdrlj29udoi4156(a)4ax.com... > On Sun, 23 May 2010 17:00:12 +0100, "Brimstone" > <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >>news:09a95adb-36a8-4e27-bd2b-80603cd37720(a)q8g2000vbm.googlegroups.com... >>> On 23 May, 15:26, Bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Doug wrote: >>>> > On 23 May, 09:49, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>> >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >>>> >>>> >>news:8add536f-2520-4b07-8034-97f341e2f969(a)z33g2000vbb.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> >>> On 21 May, 09:59, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:54:07 +0100 >>>> >>>> Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very >>>> >>>>>>> vulnerable >>>> >>>>>>> to attack, say experts. >>>> >>>>> And just how do they get access to it, Doug? >>>> >>>> Doug seems to forget that his bicycle is vulnerable to a large >>>> >>>> stick >>>> >>>> in >>>> >>>> the wheel spokes. Beware of those nasty trees doug! >>>> >>> Unlike the defective car driver though the cyclist would be >>>> >>> unlikely >>>> >>> to inure anyone but himself. >>>> >> Most car accidents don't injure anyone - they are just minor bumps. >>>> >> Unlike >>>> >> most bicycle accidents where people tend to injure hands and knees. >>>> >>>> > They are not euphemistic 'accidents' they are 'crashes'. Car crashes >>>> > are far more dangerous than bicycle crashes and kill very many mmore >>>> > people. >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Change the record Doug. >>>> >>> OK how about getting back to the thread title? Have you ever >>> experienced a computer crash? If so, can you imagine what might happen >>> with a computer which controls speed and braking, etc? >>> >>No computer controls braking and if one controlling speed fails then the >>car >>will stop. >> >>Happy now? >> > > But what about the etc? > "There are no "knowns." There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. So when we do the best we can and we pull all this information together, and we then say well that's basically what we see as the situation, that is really only the known knowns and the known unknowns. And each year, we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns. " With thanks to D Rumsfeld, former US Secretary of Defence http://www.nato.int/docu/speech/2002/s020606g.htm |