From: Brimstone on


"Adrian" <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> If people bothered to read the handbook,

Now I know you live on a different planet.


From: Tony Dragon on
Doug wrote:
> Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put
> cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk?

Errr, yes

> Isn't it time to go back to
> mechanical control,

Errr, no, you're the one bleating about emissions, electronics cut them
down.

> which sensibly is still used on bicycles?

Does that include your illegal, untaxed, uninsured e-bike.

>
> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable
> to attack, say experts.

Ahh experts, they would know about such things.

>
> An investigation by security researchers found the systems to be
> "fragile" and easily subverted.

When their test gear was plugged into the admin port.
>
> The researchers showed how to kill a car engine remotely,

Remotely from the end of a cable, not very remote is it?

> turn off the
> brakes so the car would not stop

They must be very good experts to control a mechanical system with a
'remote' terminal,
> and make instruments give false
> readings.
>
> Despite their success, the team said it would be hard for malicious
> attackers to reproduce their work..."

So not so vulnerable then?

>
> "...It is thought that modern vehicles have about 100 megabytes of
> binary code spread across up to 70 ECUs..."

Thought by whom?

>
> Horrifying! So anything can happen when there is a glitch?
>
> More:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10119492.stm
>
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> UK Radical Campaigns.
> http://www.zing.icom43.net
> A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Did you notice that your censoring & selective editing left a few thing
out, like having to have access to the inside of the car.

So yet again you have been caught out lying, distorting the truth & only
quoting bits that you like.

What a waste of space you are.
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Tony Dragon
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"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message
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> Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put
> cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk? Isn't it time to go back to
> mechanical control, which sensibly is still used on bicycles?
>
> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable
> to attack, say experts.
>
> An investigation by security researchers found the systems to be
> "fragile" and easily subverted.
>
The only thing that's fragile Doug, is your grasp on reality.


From: Marie on
On May 21, 7:17 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
> Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put
> cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk? Isn't it time to go back to
> mechanical control, which sensibly is still used on bicycles?
>
> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable
> to attack, say experts.
>
> An investigation by security researchers found the systems to be
> "fragile" and easily subverted.
>
> The researchers showed how to kill a car engine remotely, turn off the
> brakes so the car would not stop and make instruments give false
> readings.
>
> Despite their success, the team said it would be hard for malicious
> attackers to reproduce their work..."
>
> "...It is thought that modern vehicles have about 100 megabytes of
> binary code spread across up to 70 ECUs..."
>
> Horrifying! So anything can happen when there is a glitch?
>
> More:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10119492.stm
>
> --
> UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net
> A driving licence is a licence to kill.

Breaking news, breaking news.
Doug lies & misquotes from an article that he thinks will make a point
for his stupid views.
Will Doug now go silient, move the goal posts or bluster?
We await the next amount of DougBollocks.

Marie
From: Doug on
On 21 May, 09:54, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:
> On 21/05/2010 07:35, webreader wrote:> On May 21, 7:17 am, Doug<jag...(a)riseup.net>  wrote:
> >> Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put
> >> cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk? Isn't it time to go back to
> >> mechanical control, which sensibly is still used on bicycles?
>
> But you wanted them to be more environmentally friendly, Doug.
>
> BTW, where are the mandatory safety tests for bicycles? I've seen
> shitloads out with knackered brakes, bald tyres and no lights at night.
> It was so bad, a Police Force carried out a sting operation.
>
If a bicycle is defective it is ore than likely that the cyclist will
be killed or injured becuase he i9s far less dangerous to others than
a driver. I have no doubt that ths sting was practiced by cops who are
also motorists.
>
> >> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable
> >> to attack, say experts.
>
> And just how do they get access to it, Doug?
>
Electromagnetic pulse? But that is not the question is it. The car
computer system, like all computer systems, is susceptible to glitches
but unlike your computer at home when it happens it can be highly
dangerous.
>
> >> The researchers showed how to kill a car engine remotely, turn off the
> >> brakes so the car would not stop and make instruments give false
> >> readings.
>
> Remotely? I doubt anything but the engine turning off.\
>
Well you would wouldn't you, because your car uses a computer.
>
> >> Despite their success, the team said it would be hard for malicious
> >> attackers to reproduce their work..."
>
> So in fact its irrelevent then. Just like you.
>
Not irrelevant at all. See above.
>
> > "The team got at the ECUs via the communications ports fitted as
> > standard on most cars that enable mechanics to gather data about a
> > vehicle before they begin servicing or repair work."
>
> > This team of experts has found that if you access the computors comms
> > port, you can control the computor, now who would have thought that?
>
> So you actually have to have physical access to the service port in the
> car. How many are going to be able to do that as its driving past them?
>
Again, see above.

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