The fragility of car computers revealed.
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From: Doug on 22 May 2010 01:34 On 21 May, 09:59, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:54:07 +0100 > > Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: > >>> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable > >>> to attack, say experts. > > >And just how do they get access to it, Doug? > > Doug seems to forget that his bicycle is vulnerable to a large stick in > the wheel spokes. Beware of those nasty trees doug! > Unlike the defective car driver though the cyclist would be unlikely to inure anyone but himself. -- UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Marie on 22 May 2010 04:21 On May 22, 6:34 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > On 21 May, 09:59, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote:> On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:54:07 +0100 > > > Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: > > >>> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable > > >>> to attack, say experts. > > > >And just how do they get access to it, Doug? > > > Doug seems to forget that his bicycle is vulnerable to a large stick in > > the wheel spokes. Beware of those nasty trees doug! > > Unlike the defective car driver though the cyclist would be unlikely > to inure anyone but himself. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. Here we go again, Doug does not answer a question, but post an answer that is rubbish, no change there then. Marie
From: Marie on 22 May 2010 04:35 On May 22, 6:33 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > On 21 May, 09:54, Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote:> On 21/05/2010 07:35, webreader wrote:> On May 21, 7:17 am, Doug<jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > >> Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put > > >> cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk? Isn't it time to go back to > > >> mechanical control, which sensibly is still used on bicycles? > > > But you wanted them to be more environmentally friendly, Doug. > > > BTW, where are the mandatory safety tests for bicycles? I've seen > > shitloads out with knackered brakes, bald tyres and no lights at night. > > It was so bad, a Police Force carried out a sting operation. > > If a bicycle is defective it is ore than likely that the cyclist will > be killed or injured becuase he i9s far less dangerous to others than > a driver. Here we go again it is ok for cycles to be defective, because the riders would only injure themselves, lets ignore the problems that they would cause to other road users. > I have no doubt that ths sting was practiced by cops who are > also motorists. > Yet again Doug uses the old 'cops are against cyclists, because cops are car drivers' rubbish. Well at least Doug will be allright, because he is not a 'real cyclist' > > >> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable > > >> to attack, say experts. > > > And just how do they get access to it, Doug? > > Electromagnetic pulse? Here we go again, this time it is Doug physics. EMP can be used to programme a computor, not just stop it working but to control it. >But that is not the question is it. Are the sideslip answer, problem is that it is the question, more Doug moving goalposts. > The car > computer system, like all computer systems, is susceptible to glitches > but unlike your computer at home when it happens it can be highly > dangerous. > Are the old, 'if I say it enough time, it will be true' mantra, this from a person who believes an EMP can be used to control a computor. > > >> The researchers showed how to kill a car engine remotely, turn off the > > >> brakes so the car would not stop and make instruments give false > > >> readings. > > > Remotely? I doubt anything but the engine turning off.\ > > Well you would wouldn't you, because your car uses a computer. Here we go again, this time it's the 'I havn't got an answer so I will post rubbish' mantra. > > > >> Despite their success, the team said it would be hard for malicious > > >> attackers to reproduce their work..." > > > So in fact its irrelevent then. Just like you. > > Not irrelevant at all. See above. Yes everybody, Doug refers you to the rubbish he has posted. > > > > "The team got at the ECUs via the communications ports fitted as > > > standard on most cars that enable mechanics to gather data about a > > > vehicle before they begin servicing or repair work." > > > > This team of experts has found that if you access the computors comms > > > port, you can control the computor, now who would have thought that? > > > So you actually have to have physical access to the service port in the > > car. How many are going to be able to do that as its driving past them? > > Again, see above. Oh look I can now repeat a Doug answer:- "Again, see above." > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. Marie
From: Dave Plowman on 22 May 2010 05:27 In article <f034292e-2032-4356-8d71-230755b6bb2f(a)c13g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>, Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote: > Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put > cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk? Isn't it time to go back to > mechanical control, which sensibly is still used on bicycles? What proportion of cyclists get injured in say Central London versus car drivers? -- *Give me ambiguity or give me something else. Dave Plowman dave(a)davesound.co.uk London SW 12
From: Tony Dragon on 22 May 2010 06:22
Doug wrote: > On 21 May, 09:59, boltar2...(a)boltar.world wrote: >> On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:54:07 +0100 >> >> Conor <co...(a)gmx.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable >>>>> to attack, say experts. >>> And just how do they get access to it, Doug? >> Doug seems to forget that his bicycle is vulnerable to a large stick in >> the wheel spokes. Beware of those nasty trees doug! >> > Unlike the defective car driver though the cyclist would be unlikely > to inure anyone but himself. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns. > http://www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. > Watch those goalposts move. -- Tony Dragon |