The fragility of car computers revealed.
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From: Doug on 21 May 2010 02:17 Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk? Isn't it time to go back to mechanical control, which sensibly is still used on bicycles? "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable to attack, say experts. An investigation by security researchers found the systems to be "fragile" and easily subverted. The researchers showed how to kill a car engine remotely, turn off the brakes so the car would not stop and make instruments give false readings. Despite their success, the team said it would be hard for malicious attackers to reproduce their work..." "...It is thought that modern vehicles have about 100 megabytes of binary code spread across up to 70 ECUs..." Horrifying! So anything can happen when there is a glitch? More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10119492.stm -- UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: webreader on 21 May 2010 02:35 On May 21, 7:17 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put > cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk? Isn't it time to go back to > mechanical control, which sensibly is still used on bicycles? > > "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable > to attack, say experts. > > An investigation by security researchers found the systems to be > "fragile" and easily subverted. > > The researchers showed how to kill a car engine remotely, turn off the > brakes so the car would not stop and make instruments give false > readings. > > Despite their success, the team said it would be hard for malicious > attackers to reproduce their work..." > > "...It is thought that modern vehicles have about 100 megabytes of > binary code spread across up to 70 ECUs..." > > Horrifying! So anything can happen when there is a glitch? > > More:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10119492.stm > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. "The team got at the ECUs via the communications ports fitted as standard on most cars that enable mechanics to gather data about a vehicle before they begin servicing or repair work." This team of experts has found that if you access the computors comms port, you can control the computor, now who would have thought that? WSR
From: Dr Zoidberg on 21 May 2010 02:50 "webreader" <websitereader(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:fa7d0568-8f15-4fad-acf5-88bae1f28b76(a)c7g2000vbc.googlegroups.com... > On May 21, 7:17 am, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put >> cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk? Isn't it time to go back to >> mechanical control, which sensibly is still used on bicycles? >> >> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable >> to attack, say experts. >> >> An investigation by security researchers found the systems to be >> "fragile" and easily subverted. >> >> The researchers showed how to kill a car engine remotely, turn off the >> brakes so the car would not stop and make instruments give false >> readings. >> >> Despite their success, the team said it would be hard for malicious >> attackers to reproduce their work..." >> >> "...It is thought that modern vehicles have about 100 megabytes of >> binary code spread across up to 70 ECUs..." >> >> Horrifying! So anything can happen when there is a glitch? >> >> More:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10119492.stm >> >> -- >> UK Radical Campaigns.http://www.zing.icom43.net >> A driving licence is a licence to kill. > > > > "The team got at the ECUs via the communications ports fitted as > standard on most cars that enable mechanics to gather data about a > vehicle before they begin servicing or repair work." > > This team of experts has found that if you access the computors comms > port, you can control the computor, now who would have thought that? > Amazing, isn't it. If someone has physical access to the inside of your car , they can stop it working correctly. Just like they could with mechanical systems... -- Alex
From: Adrian on 21 May 2010 02:59 Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > The researchers showed how to kill a car engine remotely So it just coasts to a halt. Is that a problem? > turn off the brakes so the car would not stop No, they didn't. > and make instruments give false readings. Big. Fat. Wow.
From: Conor on 21 May 2010 04:54
On 21/05/2010 07:35, webreader wrote: > On May 21, 7:17 am, Doug<jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> Is it any wonder that so many cars crash because of faults and put >> cyclists and pedestrian lives at risk? Isn't it time to go back to >> mechanical control, which sensibly is still used on bicycles? >> But you wanted them to be more environmentally friendly, Doug. BTW, where are the mandatory safety tests for bicycles? I've seen shitloads out with knackered brakes, bald tyres and no lights at night. It was so bad, a Police Force carried out a sting operation. >> "The computer systems used to control modern cars are very vulnerable >> to attack, say experts. >> And just how do they get access to it, Doug? >> The researchers showed how to kill a car engine remotely, turn off the >> brakes so the car would not stop and make instruments give false >> readings. >> Remotely? I doubt anything but the engine turning off.\ >> Despite their success, the team said it would be hard for malicious >> attackers to reproduce their work..." >> So in fact its irrelevent then. Just like you. > "The team got at the ECUs via the communications ports fitted as > standard on most cars that enable mechanics to gather data about a > vehicle before they begin servicing or repair work." > > This team of experts has found that if you access the computors comms > port, you can control the computor, now who would have thought that? So you actually have to have physical access to the service port in the car. How many are going to be able to do that as its driving past them? -- Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally. |