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From: Doug on 29 Apr 2010 02:56 On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: > On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: > > > > > Even my electric bike > > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make > > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated > > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. > > > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the > > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle > > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to > > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred > > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban > > environments." > > >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm > > > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, > > 10 miles in an urban environment? > > I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. > > --www.slowbicyclemovement.org- enjoy the ride > Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when faced with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. If only though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user who can whether powered or not. -- Carfree UK http://carfree.org.uk/ Promoting carfree development and its environmental, social, financial and health benefits.
From: Brimstone on 29 Apr 2010 04:04 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:21736952-7683-48c9-b682-9c40793804bf(a)q30g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On 28 Apr, 13:34, ash <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> You haven't fooled anyone that you live a uber gren lifestyle Doug. >> Your personal circumstances dictate your energy requirement in the >> same way others live their lives. >> > See above. Unlike you I make an effort to consume less and pollute > less. There will be many who are better at it than me and many who are > worse at it, like you. Then why do you sneer at those who do better than you Doug and how do you know that "ash" is worse at living a green lifestyle than you are? http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.transport/browse_thread/thread/bb9fa75c74b6cf0f/3e4a065d5b529d4?hl=en&q=telegraph+group:uk.transport+author:brimstone#03e4a065d5b529d4 Why do you find it necessary to slag off everyone else Doug? >Naturally, a major deciding factor is whether a > person chooses to become utterly car dependent or not. > As always, your true personal agenda comes to the fore. We are all car dependent in the UK Doug.
From: Brimstone on 29 Apr 2010 04:13 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:e7eddec5-97e0-4f99-85ca-821c5f6421c3(a)o14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >> On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: >> >> >> >> > Even my electric bike >> > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make >> > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated >> > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. >> >> > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the >> > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle >> > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to >> > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred >> > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban >> > environments." >> >> >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm >> >> > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, >> > 10 miles in an urban environment? >> >> I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. >> >> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org- enjoy the ride >> > Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on > cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when faced > with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can > put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. How is the electricity for this electric bike generated Doug? > If only > though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to > cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user who > can whether powered or not. > When your electric vehicle has four wheels on it and is limited to 4 mph then perhaps it will be allowed.
From: ash on 29 Apr 2010 05:20 On 29 Apr, 07:48, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > On 28 Apr, 13:34, ash <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > You still aren''t going to save the world on your illegal E-bike Doug > > > > Pot kettle.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > I'm not attempting to bullshit others that I am an uber green person. > > No instead you are trying to justify your polluting and wasteful > lifestyle by criticising those who are greener than you. > I care little for what you or your self riteous fraternity think of how I live my life. You or they will not 'save the planet' with your futile ego-wank gestures - fact, given the population growth and associated copnsumption of 80 million per year, and given we are already past the regarded point of the safe maximum threshold for CO2 levels what exactly do you think will be achieved by this dismal mitigation effort. World population groth is by far the strongest factor in anthropgenic climate change, not how the existing people choose to dispose of their income in the UK > > The most effective and quickest way of you reducing your carbon > > footprint to zero would be to carry on winding drivers up on the CM > > rides. A transit van parked on top of you would seriously reduce any > > requirement for you to ride your E-bike and any number of coal fired > > power stations running around the world creating millions of tonnes of > > CO2 to meet the demand of yourself and other E-bike users. > > There is no such thing as a zero carbon lifestyle unless you are long > dead. What you don't want to grasp is that it is relative, you pollute > more than me so you are in no position to criticise me as to my > pollution. > Why on earth not. You have fessed up to running a Landrover for years. You live in the 1st world, and everything you do as a result has consequneces well beyond your personal mode of transport. The infrasturcture of a 1st world country means your carbon footprint will still be well in excess of a car driving 3rd worlder even if you never leave the house. > > You haven't fooled anyone that you live a uber gren lifestyle Doug. > > Your personal circumstances dictate your energy requirement in the > > same way others live their lives. > > See above. Unlike you I make an effort to consume less and pollute > less. There will be many who are better at it than me and many who are > worse at it, like you. Naturally, a major deciding factor is whether a > person chooses to become utterly car dependent or not. > If I lived in London, I would use the Tubes and Buses, but then they realised that the roads were beyond capacity over 100 years ago and that prompted the decision to build the tube network. > -- > World Carfree Networkhttp://www.worldcarfree.net/ > Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - It is you who live in a fantasy world Doug. You need help as it will not change for you. Greater forces are at work than your own personal circumstances!
From: Doug on 29 Apr 2010 05:23
On 29 Apr, 09:13, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:e7eddec5-97e0-4f99-85ca-821c5f6421c3(a)o14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: > > >> > Even my electric bike > >> > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make > >> > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated > >> > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. > > >> > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the > >> > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle > >> > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to > >> > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred > >> > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban > >> > environments." > > >> >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm > > >> > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, > >> > 10 miles in an urban environment? > > >> I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. > > >> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org-enjoy the ride > > > Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on > > cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when faced > > with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can > > put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. > > How is the electricity for this electric bike generated Doug? > > > If only > > though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to > > cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user who > > can whether powered or not. > > When your electric vehicle has four wheels on it and is limited to 4 mph > then perhaps it will be allowed. > How very kind of the authorities to be so considerate and tolerant towards the disabled! Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range of an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is much heavier. Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to use cars whether they like it or not. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net One man's democracy is another man's regime. |