The horrors of biofuels.
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From: Adrian on 29 Apr 2010 05:44 Doug <jagmad(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range of > an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is much > heavier. Surely if you're using a train, the range becomes less relevant? Anyway, why do you need to use a train and/or extended range? I thought you lived in a city, with easy access to local shops, and strongly encouraged everybody else to be similarly non-frivolously-hypermobile? > Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, > than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain > of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of > course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to > use cars whether they like it or not. Why not just get a motorcycle? Then you could actually ride it to where you wanted to go, instead of having to mix transport modes?
From: ash on 29 Apr 2010 05:58 On 29 Apr, 10:23, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > On 29 Apr, 09:13, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > >news:e7eddec5-97e0-4f99-85ca-821c5f6421c3(a)o14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.... > > > > On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: > > >> On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: > > > >> > Even my electric bike > > >> > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make > > >> > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated > > >> > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. > > > >> > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the > > >> > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle > > >> > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to > > >> > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred > > >> > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban > > >> > environments." > > > >> >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm > > > >> > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, > > >> > 10 miles in an urban environment? > > > >> I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. > > > >> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org-enjoythe ride > > > > Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on > > > cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when faced > > > with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can > > > put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. > > > How is the electricity for this electric bike generated Doug? > > > > If only > > > though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to > > > cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user who > > > can whether powered or not. > > > When your electric vehicle has four wheels on it and is limited to 4 mph > > then perhaps it will be allowed. > > How very kind of the authorities to be so considerate and tolerant > towards the disabled! > > Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range > of an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is > much heavier. > > Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, > than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain > of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of > course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to > use cars whether they like it or not. > > -- > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net > One man's democracy is another man's regime.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Had it occured to you that there are plenty of disabilities which exclude the use of a bicycle, or moped, or electric moped or anything which requires the ability to balance on two wheels ? - no obviously you didn't Doug. You still cannot see any further than your own blinkered viewpoint !
From: baggy1963 on 29 Apr 2010 05:59 On 29 Apr, 10:44, Adrian <toomany2...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: > > > Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range of > > an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is much > > heavier. > > Surely if you're using a train, the range becomes less relevant? Anyway, > why do you need to use a train and/or extended range? I thought you lived > in a city, with easy access to local shops, and strongly encouraged > everybody else to be similarly non-frivolously-hypermobile? > > > Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, > > than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain > > of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of > > course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to > > use cars whether they like it or not. > > Why not just get a motorcycle? Then you could actually ride it to where > you wanted to go, instead of having to mix transport modes? Don't the crops grown for biofuels take carbon dioxide from the atmosphere?
From: Adrian on 29 Apr 2010 06:00 ash <ash.filmer(a)googlemail.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Had it occured to you that there are plenty of disabilities which > exclude the use of a bicycle, or moped, or electric moped or anything > which requires the ability to balance on two wheels ? Probably the vast majority, in fact. When you include an inability to walk even short distances, it becomes an even smaller number.
From: Brimstone on 29 Apr 2010 06:15
"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:4ff4eccd-dfde-4132-b997-2179a0e299e1(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > On 29 Apr, 09:13, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:e7eddec5-97e0-4f99-85ca-821c5f6421c3(a)o14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >> >> On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: >> >> >> > Even my electric bike >> >> > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make >> >> > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated >> >> > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. >> >> >> > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the >> >> > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric >> >> > bicycle >> >> > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to >> >> > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred >> >> > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban >> >> > environments." >> >> >> >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm >> >> >> > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, >> >> > 10 miles in an urban environment? >> >> >> I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. >> >> >> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org-enjoy the ride >> >> > Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on >> > cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when faced >> > with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can >> > put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. >> >> How is the electricity for this electric bike generated Doug? No answer Doug? >> > If only >> > though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to >> > cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user who >> > can whether powered or not. >> >> When your electric vehicle has four wheels on it and is limited to 4 mph >> then perhaps it will be allowed. >> > How very kind of the authorities to be so considerate and tolerant > towards the disabled! > > Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range > of an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is > much heavier. If you're travelling by train why does your personal transport need "range"? Indeed, why are you, who doesn't want any more electricity generating stations built, buying new electrically powered vehicles when you also claim to be against "hypermobility"? > Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, > than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain > of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of > course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to > use cars whether they like it or not. > Many/most of the disabled are no in a position to ride any kind of bike Doug. As usual, you think of no one except yourself. |