The horrors of biofuels.
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From: Doug on 29 Apr 2010 11:08 On 29 Apr, 13:44, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:9bf1de58-4677-40ed-a453-0424f142812e(a)p2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On 29 Apr, 11:15, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > >>news:4ff4eccd-dfde-4132-b997-2179a0e299e1(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com.... > > >> > On 29 Apr, 09:13, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > >> >>news:e7eddec5-97e0-4f99-85ca-821c5f6421c3(a)o14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> >> On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: > > >> >> >> > Even my electric bike > >> >> >> > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't > >> >> >> > make > >> >> >> > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated > >> >> >> > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. > > >> >> >> > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric > >> >> >> > bicycle > >> >> >> > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a > >> >> >> > hundred > >> >> >> > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban > >> >> >> > environments." > > >> >> >> >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm > > >> >> >> > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, > >> >> >> > say, > >> >> >> > 10 miles in an urban environment? > > >> >> >> I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. > > >> >> >> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org-enjoytheride > > >> >> > Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on > >> >> > cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when > >> >> > faced > >> >> > with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can > >> >> > put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. > > >> >> How is the electricity for this electric bike generated Doug? > > >> No answer Doug? > > > Previously dealt with. The energy consumption is so low as to be > > insignificant but could be catered for by solar cells and a small wind > > generator if allowed by a local council. > > I didn't ask what could happen but I take it from your response that you > recharge it from the ordinary domestic supply most of which comes from those > coal and nuclear power stations that you complain about. How is you buying > such a machine helping to reduce the use of fossil fuels Doug? > > > Also, it is vastly preferable > > to the use of biofuels. > > So fossil fuels are now preferable to biofuels are they Doug? That's > certainly a change of attitude on your part. > > > > > > >> >> > If only > >> >> > though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to > >> >> > cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user > >> >> > who > >> >> > can whether powered or not. > > >> >> When your electric vehicle has four wheels on it and is limited to 4 > >> >> mph > >> >> then perhaps it will be allowed. > > >> > How very kind of the authorities to be so considerate and tolerant > >> > towards the disabled! > > >> > Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range > >> > of an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is > >> > much heavier. > > >> If you're travelling by train why does your personal transport need > >> "range"? > > > Some places are not near railway stations. > > So you've bought a machine just so that you can indulge in frivolous > hypermobility at the expense of the planet's scarce resources, i.e. > travelling to places just because you want to whilst complaining about other > people doing the same thing. > > Isn't that hypocrisy Doug? > > > Why does the obvious so often elude you? > > It doesn't, but some clarification and confirmation is useful. > > >> Indeed, why are you, who doesn't want any more electricity generating > >> stations built, buying new electrically powered vehicles when you also > >> claim > >> to be against "hypermobility"? > > > As I keep on pointing out here, I don't need to be perfect to be > > better than you. > > What makes you think you're better than me? > > > I am merely replacing what was ordinary bicycle use > > with power assist because of my health problems. Please don't ask me > > to repeat this yet again. > > I replaced walking and using a bus with a car because of my health problems > and yet you condemn me. Isn't that hypocrisy Doug? > > > > >> > Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, > >> > than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain > >> > of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of > >> > course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to > >> > use cars whether they like it or not. > > >> Many/most of the disabled are no in a position to ride any kind of bike > >> Doug. As usual, you think of no one except yourself. > > > Then how do you explain all sorts of bikes specially designed for the > > disabled, including electric, none of which are allowed on pavements > > or railway platforms by law? > > > Sample... > >http://www.draisin.com/en/index.htm > >http://www.velovision.co.uk/cgi-bin/show_comments.pl?storynum=559 > >http://www.livingmadeeasy.org.uk/group.php?groupid=2752&nof=1 > > None of which are bikes nor would they fit on a train. They all too wide to > be safely used on a footpath. > Try looking for a change. You are just not worth responding to. Doug.
From: Nick Finnigan on 29 Apr 2010 12:24 ash wrote: > On 28 Apr, 17:28, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: >> ash wrote: >>> On 27 Apr, 17:41, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: >>>> ash wrote: >>>>> BNF went bankrupt twice in the last 5 years and had to be bailed out >>>>> for about �1/2 billion last time before being given away to the >>>>> French. >>>> Do you mean British Energy? >>> Sorry, BNFL (typo) which then became British Energy before being >> No, it didn't. > > British Energy was not a viable concern when using private investors > money to dabble with Nuclear power generation, that is why it was > bailed/bought out in 2003 by the UK government after a very short > existence as an energy producer. BNFL was also owned and run by the UK > government to manage the Nuclear power generation from the beginning > of the 70s. No, it wasn't. Whilst BNFL was run down in the 90s and its assets > virtually given away to British Energy, No, it wasn't.
From: Tony Dragon on 29 Apr 2010 13:27 Doug wrote: > On 29 Apr, 09:13, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:e7eddec5-97e0-4f99-85ca-821c5f6421c3(a)o14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >>> On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >>>> On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: >>>>> Even my electric bike >>>>> does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make >>>>> me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated >>>>> cyclists, but who cares if its true?. >>>>> "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the >>>>> environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle >>>>> is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to >>>>> 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred >>>>> times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban >>>>> environments." >>>>> http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm >>>>> A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, >>>>> 10 miles in an urban environment? >>>> I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. >>>> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org-enjoy the ride >>> Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on >>> cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when faced >>> with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can >>> put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. >> How is the electricity for this electric bike generated Doug? >> >>> If only >>> though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to >>> cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user who >>> can whether powered or not. >> When your electric vehicle has four wheels on it and is limited to 4 mph >> then perhaps it will be allowed. >> > How very kind of the authorities to be so considerate and tolerant > towards the disabled! > > Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range > of an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is > much heavier. > > Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, > than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain > of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of > course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to > use cars whether they like it or not. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns > www.zing.icom43.net > One man's democracy is another man's regime. But at least the four wheeled buggy would be legal. -- Tony Dragon
From: Tony Dragon on 29 Apr 2010 13:29 Doug wrote: > On 29 Apr, 11:15, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >> >> news:4ff4eccd-dfde-4132-b997-2179a0e299e1(a)i10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >>> On 29 Apr, 09:13, "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message >>>> news:e7eddec5-97e0-4f99-85ca-821c5f6421c3(a)o14g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On 28 Apr, 18:47, Jim A <j...(a)averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote: >>>>>>> Even my electric bike >>>>>>> does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make >>>>>>> me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated >>>>>>> cyclists, but who cares if its true?. >>>>>>> "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the >>>>>>> environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric >>>>>>> bicycle >>>>>>> is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to >>>>>>> 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred >>>>>>> times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban >>>>>>> environments." >>>>>>> http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm >>>>>>> A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, >>>>>>> 10 miles in an urban environment? >>>>>> I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug. >>>>>> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org-enjoythe ride >>>>> Thanks Jim. Due to my state of health it does enable me to keep on >>>>> cycling, which I wouldn't be able to do on an ordinary bike when faced >>>>> with hills and headwinds. It also helps to keep me car-free as I can >>>>> put the electric bike on a train to go much longer distances. >>>> How is the electricity for this electric bike generated Doug? >> No answer Doug? >> > Previously dealt with. The energy consumption is so low as to be > insignificant but could be catered for by solar cells and a small wind > generator if allowed by a local council. Also, it is vastly preferable > to the use of biofuels. >>>>> If only >>>>> though, as someone with a walking disability, I would be allowed to >>>>> cycle on pavements and railway platforms, like any wheelchair user who >>>>> can whether powered or not. >>>> When your electric vehicle has four wheels on it and is limited to 4 mph >>>> then perhaps it will be allowed. >>> How very kind of the authorities to be so considerate and tolerant >>> towards the disabled! >>> Three problems though, the four wheeled buggy doesn't have the range >>> of an electric bike and is more difficult to put on a train and is >>> much heavier. >> If you're travelling by train why does your personal transport need "range"? >> > Some places are not near railway stations. Why does the obvious so > often elude you? >> Indeed, why are you, who doesn't want any more electricity generating >> stations built, buying new electrically powered vehicles when you also claim >> to be against "hypermobility"? >> > As I keep on pointing out here, I don't need to be perfect to be > better than you. I am merely replacing what was ordinary bicycle use > with power assist because of my health problems. Please don't ask me > to repeat this yet again. >>> Given a choice, which I am not, I would rather use an electric bike, >>> than a buggy or a car plus wheelchair, but without the hassle and pain >>> of being made to walk along pavements and long railway platforms. Of >>> course this explains clearly why so many of the disabled are forced to >>> use cars whether they like it or not. >> Many/most of the disabled are no in a position to ride any kind of bike >> Doug. As usual, you think of no one except yourself. >> > Then how do you explain all sorts of bikes specially designed for the > disabled, including electric, none of which are allowed on pavements > or railway platforms by law? > > Sample... > http://www.draisin.com/en/index.htm > http://www.velovision.co.uk/cgi-bin/show_comments.pl?storynum=559 > http://www.livingmadeeasy.org.uk/group.php?groupid=2752&nof=1 > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns > www.zing.icom43.net > One man's democracy is another man's regime. All that sounds like greenwash to me. -- Tony Dragon
From: ash on 29 Apr 2010 17:44
On 29 Apr, 17:24, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > ash wrote: > > On 28 Apr, 17:28, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > >> ash wrote: > >>> On 27 Apr, 17:41, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> ash wrote: > >>>>> BNF went bankrupt twice in the last 5 years and had to be bailed out > >>>>> for about £1/2 billion last time before being given away to the > >>>>> French. > >>>> Do you mean British Energy? > >>> Sorry, BNFL (typo) which then became British Energy before being > >> No, it didn't. > > > British Energy was not a viable concern when using private investors > > money to dabble with Nuclear power generation, that is why it was > > bailed/bought out in 2003 by the UK government after a very short > > existence as an energy producer. BNFL was also owned and run by the UK > > government to manage the Nuclear power generation from the beginning > > of the 70s. > > No, it wasn't. > > Whilst BNFL was run down in the 90s and its assets > > > virtually given away to British Energy, > > No, it wasn't. Look it up, and then come back with something of substance. The investment was nowhere near the return. Nuclear power generation is short term gain in exchange for long term pain. Nothing will change this fact ! |