The horrors of biofuels.
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From: ash on 26 Apr 2010 18:31 On 26 Apr, 18:53, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > They thought it would be the solution to their polluting, motorised > wanderlust but this BBC radio programmed tells a very different story. > Isn't it great that bicycles don't need biofuels? > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00775jj/The_Monday_Documentary_... > > -- > Carfree UKhttp://carfree.org.uk/ > Promoting carfree development and its environmental, social, financial > and health benefits. You ride an E-bike powered by fossil fuel extracted energy. Until you stop doing this, you still don't hold the moral high ground in any argument regarding pollution from carbon neutral sources as your energy is generated from a source which is not sustainable. The argument for or against the cost implications of using crop oil as biofuels as opposed to using them to feed the starving millions is a completely different one. If you think that the locals in these countries are paying 80p per litre for cooking oil as we do in the UK, you are very mistaken. The same cooking oil in the states is sold for about 30p a litre, and its cost is directly linked to the pump cost of fossil fuel oil in that country as the link between the two has been established in the public eye for fueling motor vehicles.
From: Doug on 27 Apr 2010 03:00 On 26 Apr, 20:07, "John Veldman" <john.nos...(a)veldman.net> wrote: > "Doug" <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote in message > > news:96a23818-7277-4e1a-aa9d-c8bdbfe7eba7(a)b33g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... > > > They thought it would be the solution to their polluting, motorised > > wanderlust but this BBC radio programmed tells a very different story. > > Isn't it great that bicycles don't need biofuels? > > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p00775jj/The_Monday_Documentary_... > > > -- > > Sainsburys diesel is blended biodiesel ! That's why I no longer use it.. I > prefer to stick to SHELL, ESSO or BP. > Tesco have also messed about with blending various oils with diesel, but > this provides far less MPG. > > No time to wade through articles unfortunately. If you were to summarise it > or post your own opinion it might be more interesting. > Where to begin? In the first instalment of the radio programme it highlighted poor local people being thrown off their land so that vast monocultures of soya for biofuel could be grown and then they are made to suffer further by poisoning from pesticide spraying and in their drinking water. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net Motorists contribute to global starvation, environmental destruction and drink driving by using ethanol.
From: Doug on 27 Apr 2010 03:07 On 26 Apr, 21:42, baggy1963 <stephen...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 26 Apr, 21:29, Tom Anderson <t...(a)urchin.earth.li> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010, Jim A wrote: > > > On 04/26/2010 06:53 PM, Doug wrote: > > > >> Isn't it great that bicycles don't need biofuels? > > > > Don't they? Mine does - marmite on wholemeal toast or somesuch usually. > > > Mincemeat slice over here. Marmite on toast is lovely but doesn't have > > enough stodge in it IMHO. > > > tom > > > -- > > Mass motoring effects an absolute triumph of bourgeois ideology on the > > level of daily life. It gives and supports in everyone the illusion > > that each individual can seek his or her own benefit at the expense of > > everyone else. -- Andre Gorz > > Don't cyclists eat? > The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted on making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net Motorists contribute to global starvation, environmental destruction and drink driving by using ethanol.
From: Derek C on 27 Apr 2010 03:12 On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > Don't cyclists eat? > > The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted on > making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life > and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. > > -- It is when it is converted into cycling miles! Derek C
From: Brimstone on 27 Apr 2010 03:15
"Derek C" <del.copeland(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> > Don't cyclists eat? >> >> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted on >> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life >> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. >> >> -- > It is when it is converted into cycling miles! > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile bicycle trip? |