The horrors of biofuels.
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From: ash on 27 Apr 2010 19:19 On 28 Apr, 00:05, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:g6CdnVVTNcONEkvWnZ2dnUVZ7oudnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > > > > > > > "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > >news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > >> On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > >>> > Don't cyclists eat? > > >>> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted on > >>> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life > >>> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. > > >>> -- > >> It is when it is converted into cycling miles! > > > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile > > bicycle trip? > > It may just be a factoid, but I recall hearing somewhere that there is no > more efficient means of active transport in the whole of the animal kingdom > than a person on a bicycle. > > Granted, a 10 mile (45 minute?) bicycle trip will take more fuel than 45 > minutes sitting in a chair; but it will require much less energy than a 10 > mile walk. That would depend on the geography of the ride or walk and whether you have to get off and push..
From: ash on 27 Apr 2010 19:33 On 27 Apr, 17:41, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: > ash wrote: > > BNF went bankrupt twice in the last 5 years and had to be bailed out > > for about £1/2 billion last time before being given away to the > > French. > > Do you mean British Energy? Sorry, BNFL (typo) which then became British Energy before being bought up by EDF a couple of years ago. They are still the same people sat behind the desks or in the plants doing the same jobs, and no doubt being subsidised by other form of energy generation. Ultimately it will be the tax payer who picks up the tab for this dirty energy - and I am not a CND tree hugging supporter.
From: OG on 27 Apr 2010 19:38 "ash" <ash.filmer(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message news:2382910c-f37b-428b-8f55-20695590f222(a)u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > On 28 Apr, 00:05, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: >> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:g6CdnVVTNcONEkvWnZ2dnUVZ7oudnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message >> >news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... >> >> On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >>> > Don't cyclists eat? >> >> >>> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted >> >>> on >> >>> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life >> >>> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. >> >> >>> -- >> >> It is when it is converted into cycling miles! >> >> > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile >> > bicycle trip? >> >> It may just be a factoid, but I recall hearing somewhere that there is no >> more efficient means of active transport in the whole of the animal >> kingdom >> than a person on a bicycle. >> >> Granted, a 10 mile (45 minute?) bicycle trip will take more fuel than 45 >> minutes sitting in a chair; but it will require much less energy than a >> 10 >> mile walk. > > That would depend on the geography of the ride or walk and whether you > have to get off and push.. In which case it's not a 10 mile bicycle trip - it's a 10 mile walk with a bicycle. Did you have a point you wanted to make?
From: Doug on 28 Apr 2010 03:12 On 28 Apr, 00:05, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: > "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:g6CdnVVTNcONEkvWnZ2dnUVZ7oudnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > > > > > "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > >news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > >> On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > >>> > Don't cyclists eat? > > >>> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted on > >>> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life > >>> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. > > >>> -- > >> It is when it is converted into cycling miles! > > > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile > > bicycle trip? > > It may just be a factoid, but I recall hearing somewhere that there is no > more efficient means of active transport in the whole of the animal kingdom > than a person on a bicycle. > Good point. > > Granted, a 10 mile (45 minute?) bicycle trip will take more fuel than 45 > minutes sitting in a chair; but it will require much less energy than a 10 > mile walk. > And much less energy that a 10 mile car journey. Even my electric bike does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated cyclists, but who cares if its true?. "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban environments." http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, 10 miles in an urban environment? -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net Motorists contribute to global starvation, environmental destruction and drink driving by using ethanol.
From: ash on 28 Apr 2010 04:37
On 28 Apr, 00:38, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: > "ash" <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message > > news:2382910c-f37b-428b-8f55-20695590f222(a)u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On 28 Apr, 00:05, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: > >> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >>news:g6CdnVVTNcONEkvWnZ2dnUVZ7oudnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > >> > "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > >> >news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > >> >> On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > >> >>> > Don't cyclists eat? > > >> >>> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted > >> >>> on > >> >>> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life > >> >>> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. > > >> >>> -- > >> >> It is when it is converted into cycling miles! > > >> > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile > >> > bicycle trip? > > >> It may just be a factoid, but I recall hearing somewhere that there is no > >> more efficient means of active transport in the whole of the animal > >> kingdom > >> than a person on a bicycle. > > >> Granted, a 10 mile (45 minute?) bicycle trip will take more fuel than 45 > >> minutes sitting in a chair; but it will require much less energy than a > >> 10 > >> mile walk. > > > That would depend on the geography of the ride or walk and whether you > > have to get off and push.. > > In which case it's not a 10 mile bicycle trip - it's a 10 mile walk with a > bicycle. > > Did you have a point you wanted to make?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If that were the case, then having one would be entirely pointless. Only an idiot would argue against the fact that there comes a certain gradient where having a cycle is a positive hinderance to making progress. |