The horrors of biofuels.
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From: ash on 28 Apr 2010 04:39 On 28 Apr, 08:12, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > On 28 Apr, 00:05, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:g6CdnVVTNcONEkvWnZ2dnUVZ7oudnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > > "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > > >news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > > >> On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > >>> > Don't cyclists eat? > > > >>> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted on > > >>> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life > > >>> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. > > > >>> -- > > >> It is when it is converted into cycling miles! > > > > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile > > > bicycle trip? > > > It may just be a factoid, but I recall hearing somewhere that there is no > > more efficient means of active transport in the whole of the animal kingdom > > than a person on a bicycle. > > Good point. > > > Granted, a 10 mile (45 minute?) bicycle trip will take more fuel than 45 > > minutes sitting in a chair; but it will require much less energy than a 10 > > mile walk. > > And much less energy that a 10 mile car journey. Even my electric bike > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. > > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban > environments." > > http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm > > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, > 10 miles in an urban environment? > > -- > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net > Motorists contribute to global starvation, environmental destruction > and drink driving by using ethanol.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You still aren''t going to save the world on your illegal E-bike Doug
From: boltar2003 on 28 Apr 2010 05:03 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:18:14 +0100 "OG" <owen(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: >Nuclear power has never been economic compared to fossil fuel power. Have >there been UK power generating companies pressing for expansion of the >nuclear generation capacity since the great 'free market' liberalisation of >the 1980's/90's ? >No; they have been far more interested in the quick buck, cash in now, and >let the long term energy security of UK go hang. Well what company wouldn't where they have the constant threat of the government preventing any more nuclear stations being built - which is exactly what happened until recently. Why would anyone invest in legacy tech if theres little chance of new opportunities coming along? If you want to see what nuclear can be just get the shuttle to france. >If there had been any way of making money out of nuclear, do you think >corporations would have let the objectors get in their way? They don't in parts of the world where their isn't hysterical paranoia where braindead hippies have fanned the flames against nuclear power. >Don't blame the environmentalists, blame the capitalists. Rubbish. B2003
From: boltar2003 on 28 Apr 2010 05:06 On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:35:57 -0700 (PDT) ash <ash.filmer(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> >There is no such thing as a 'safe' dose of radioactive contamination. >> >> Well if you believe that nonsense you should build yourself a bunker under >your >> house and never come out, and certainly never go near any granite rocks or >fly >> in an aircraft. In fact some research has suggested that small amounts of >> radioactivity is required by our cells to keep the DNA copying system in good >> working order in the same way to have a healthy immune system you need to >> get ill occasionally. > >Would you volunteer to go into the sarcophagus and help decontaminate >the facility ? You said theres no such thing as a safe dose. How does that translate into walking into the middle of an exploded reactor? I wouldn't climb into the boiler of a coal fired power station when it was working but that doesn't mean theres no such thing as a safe level of heat. Idiot. >In the news today about radioactive waste being dumped on a public tip >from Sellafield - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cumbria/8646165.stm Oh no!! Oh wait... "Our assessment has also determined that the maximum potential dose to a member of staff at the Lillyhall site as a result of this would be significantly less than a member of the public would receive from normal background radiation." BFD. B2003
From: Doug on 28 Apr 2010 07:14 On 28 Apr, 09:39, ash <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > On 28 Apr, 08:12, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > On 28 Apr, 00:05, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: > > > > "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:g6CdnVVTNcONEkvWnZ2dnUVZ7oudnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > > > "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > > > >news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > > > >> On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > >>> > Don't cyclists eat? > > > > >>> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted on > > > >>> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life > > > >>> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. > > > > >>> -- > > > >> It is when it is converted into cycling miles! > > > > > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile > > > > bicycle trip? > > > > It may just be a factoid, but I recall hearing somewhere that there is no > > > more efficient means of active transport in the whole of the animal kingdom > > > than a person on a bicycle. > > > Good point. > > > > Granted, a 10 mile (45 minute?) bicycle trip will take more fuel than 45 > > > minutes sitting in a chair; but it will require much less energy than a 10 > > > mile walk. > > > And much less energy that a 10 mile car journey. Even my electric bike > > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make > > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated > > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. > > > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the > > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle > > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to > > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred > > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban > > environments." > > >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm > > > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, > > 10 miles in an urban environment? > > > -- > > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net > > Motorists contribute to global starvation, environmental destruction > > and drink driving by using ethanol.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You still aren''t going to save the world on your illegal E-bike Doug > Pot kettle.
From: ash on 28 Apr 2010 08:34
On 28 Apr, 12:14, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > On 28 Apr, 09:39, ash <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 28 Apr, 08:12, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > On 28 Apr, 00:05, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:g6CdnVVTNcONEkvWnZ2dnUVZ7oudnZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > > > > "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message > > > > >news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > >>> > Don't cyclists eat? > > > > > >>> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted on > > > > >>> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life > > > > >>> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel. > > > > > >>> -- > > > > >> It is when it is converted into cycling miles! > > > > > > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile > > > > > bicycle trip? > > > > > It may just be a factoid, but I recall hearing somewhere that there is no > > > > more efficient means of active transport in the whole of the animal kingdom > > > > than a person on a bicycle. > > > > Good point. > > > > > Granted, a 10 mile (45 minute?) bicycle trip will take more fuel than 45 > > > > minutes sitting in a chair; but it will require much less energy than a 10 > > > > mile walk. > > > > And much less energy that a 10 mile car journey. Even my electric bike > > > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make > > > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated > > > cyclists, but who cares if its true?. > > > > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the > > > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle > > > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to > > > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred > > > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban > > > environments." > > > >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm > > > > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say, > > > 10 miles in an urban environment? > > > > -- > > > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net > > > Motorists contribute to global starvation, environmental destruction > > > and drink driving by using ethanol.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > You still aren''t going to save the world on your illegal E-bike Doug > > Pot kettle.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I'm not attempting to bullshit others that I am an uber green person. The most effective and quickest way of you reducing your carbon footprint to zero would be to carry on winding drivers up on the CM rides. A transit van parked on top of you would seriously reduce any requirement for you to ride your E-bike and any number of coal fired power stations running around the world creating millions of tonnes of CO2 to meet the demand of yourself and other E-bike users. You haven't fooled anyone that you live a uber gren lifestyle Doug. Your personal circumstances dictate your energy requirement in the same way others live their lives. |