From: Nick Finnigan on
ash wrote:
> On 27 Apr, 17:41, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote:
>> ash wrote:
>>> BNF went bankrupt twice in the last 5 years and had to be bailed out
>>> for about �1/2 billion last time before being given away to the
>>> French.
>> Do you mean British Energy?
>
> Sorry, BNFL (typo) which then became British Energy before being

No, it didn't.
From: Jim A on
On 04/28/2010 08:12 AM, Doug wrote:
> Even my electric bike
> does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make
> me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated
> cyclists, but who cares if its true?.
>
> "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the
> environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle
> is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to
> 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred
> times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban
> environments."
>
> http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm
>
> A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say,
> 10 miles in an urban environment?

I'm delighted you are enjoying your new bicycle Doug.

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From: ash on
On 28 Apr, 17:28, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote:
> ash wrote:
> > On 27 Apr, 17:41, Nick Finnigan <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote:
> >> ash wrote:
> >>> BNF went bankrupt twice in the last 5 years and had to be bailed out
> >>> for about £1/2 billion last time before being given away to the
> >>> French.
> >>   Do you mean British Energy?
>
> > Sorry, BNFL (typo) which then became British Energy before being
>
>   No, it didn't.

British Energy was not a viable concern when using private investors
money to dabble with Nuclear power generation, that is why it was
bailed/bought out in 2003 by the UK government after a very short
existence as an energy producer. BNFL was also owned and run by the UK
government to manage the Nuclear power generation from the beginning
of the 70s. Whilst BNFL was run down in the 90s and its assets
virtually given away to British Energy, both have been and continue to
be worked by the same people at the Barnwood HQ in Gloucester, and
both are effectively government institutions. What is in a name when
the same people call the shots ?

Funny enough, EDF is also a state owned company as well, but by the
French, and not British government - what were they thinking flogging
this asset/liability off to a foreign power ? - oh hang on, BNFL and
BNG is still running to cover the liabilities for the workers pensions
and also the very dangerous task of decommissioning the old reactors
for the next few hundred years.
From: NM on
On 28 Apr, 22:39, Phil W Lee <phil(at)lee-family(dot)me(dot)uk> wrote:
> ash <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> considered Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:37:42
> -0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:
>
>
>
> >On 28 Apr, 00:38, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
> >> "ash" <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:2382910c-f37b-428b-8f55-20695590f222(a)u31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On 28 Apr, 00:05, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
> >> >> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:g6CdnVVTNcONEkvWnZ2dnUVZ7oudnZ2d(a)bt.com...
>
> >> >> > "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >>> > Don't cyclists eat?
>
> >> >> >>> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted
> >> >> >>> on
> >> >> >>> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life
> >> >> >>> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel.
>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >> It is when it is converted into cycling miles!
>
> >> >> > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile
> >> >> > bicycle trip?
>
> >> >> It may just be a factoid, but I recall hearing somewhere that there is no
> >> >> more efficient means of active transport in the whole of the animal
> >> >> kingdom
> >> >> than a person on a bicycle.
>
> >> >> Granted, a 10 mile (45 minute?) bicycle trip will take more fuel than 45
> >> >> minutes sitting in a chair; but it will require much less energy than a
> >> >> 10
> >> >> mile walk.
>
> >> > That would depend on the geography of the ride or walk and whether you
> >> > have to get off and push..
>
> >> In which case it's not a 10 mile bicycle trip - it's a 10 mile walk with a
> >> bicycle.
>
> >> Did you have a point you wanted to make?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >If that were the case, then having one would be entirely pointless.
> >Only an idiot would argue against the fact that there comes a certain
> >gradient where having a cycle is a positive hinderance to making
> >progress.
>
> I think that's about the point that you need to set follow-ups to
> uk.rec.climbing or uk.rec.diy.ladders.
> I can certainly climb greater gradients on a suitably geared bicycle
> than I can on foot, the absolute limit being rear traction.
> It's rather difficult to gear lower than 1:1 with your feet.

You can get up the Matterhorn on a bike? Got any pictures?
From: Doug on
On 28 Apr, 13:34, ash <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 28 Apr, 12:14, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 28 Apr, 09:39, ash <ash.fil...(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 28 Apr, 08:12, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On 28 Apr, 00:05, "OG" <o...(a)gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:g6CdnVVTNcONEkvWnZ2dnUVZ7oudnZ2d(a)bt.com...
>
> > > > > > "Derek C" <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:9abac1a2-0d78-405f-9ebc-9095d91ef429(a)b6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> On 27 Apr, 08:07, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > >>> > Don't cyclists eat?
>
> > > > > >>> The point you are deliberately missing is that human food is wasted on
> > > > > >>> making biofuels for cars, while eating is necessary to sustain life
> > > > > >>> and well-being. Food itself is not classed as a biofuel.
>
> > > > > >>> --
> > > > > >> It is when it is converted into cycling miles!
>
> > > > > > Does anyone know how much land is required to fuel a (say) ten mile
> > > > > > bicycle trip?
>
> > > > > It may just be a factoid, but I recall hearing somewhere that there is no
> > > > > more efficient means of active transport in the whole of the animal kingdom
> > > > > than a person on a bicycle.
>
> > > > Good point.
>
> > > > > Granted, a 10 mile (45 minute?) bicycle trip will take more fuel than 45
> > > > > minutes sitting in a chair; but it will require much less energy than a 10
> > > > > mile walk.
>
> > > > And much less energy that a 10 mile car journey. Even my electric bike
> > > > does the equivalent of typically 1,000 mpg. The following won't make
> > > > me very popular in these newsgroups, either drivers or dedicated
> > > > cyclists, but who cares if its true?.
>
> > > > "Electric bikes consumes about 1 kwh for 100 kms. When including the
> > > > environmental cost of growing and processing food, an electric bicycle
> > > > is more green than a conventional one. At an average rate of 100 to
> > > > 150 watts of electric energy, the electric bike consumes a hundred
> > > > times less energy than a car (i.e. 15,000 watts) in urban
> > > > environments."
>
> > > >http://www.ezeebike.com/eZeebike.htm
>
> > > > A litre of petrol is equivalent to about 10kWh and is good for, say,
> > > > 10 miles in an urban environment?
>
> > > > --
> > > > UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net
> > > > Motorists contribute to global starvation, environmental destruction
> > > > and drink driving by using ethanol.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > You still aren''t going to save the world on your illegal E-bike Doug
>
> > Pot kettle.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm not attempting to bullshit others that I am an uber green person.
>
No instead you are trying to justify your polluting and wasteful
lifestyle by criticising those who are greener than you.
>
> The most effective and quickest way of you reducing your carbon
> footprint to zero would be to carry on winding drivers up on the CM
> rides. A transit van parked on top of you would seriously reduce any
> requirement for you to ride your E-bike and any number of coal fired
> power stations running around the world creating millions of tonnes of
> CO2 to meet the demand of yourself and other E-bike users.
>
There is no such thing as a zero carbon lifestyle unless you are long
dead. What you don't want to grasp is that it is relative, you pollute
more than me so you are in no position to criticise me as to my
pollution.
>
> You haven't fooled anyone that you live a uber gren lifestyle Doug.
> Your personal circumstances dictate your energy requirement in the
> same way others live their lives.
>
See above. Unlike you I make an effort to consume less and pollute
less. There will be many who are better at it than me and many who are
worse at it, like you. Naturally, a major deciding factor is whether a
person chooses to become utterly car dependent or not.

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