From: F Murtz on
PHATRS wrote:
> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote:
>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/
>>
>>
>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough for
>> some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should* be
>> able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why are
>> they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the all-day
>> speed curfew.
>
> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones were
> implemented or after the permanent limit is in place.
>
> Lots of talk about fines though.
>
> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to change the signs.
>
> It's all about the money folks.
>
> Ben
There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase elsewhere as
school zones are a completely wrong way to teach road safety to young
learning minds
They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they have a
real road to contend with, they get run over.
From: who where on
On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:02 +0930, "PhilD"
<replytonewsgrouponly(a)aussient.com.au> wrote:

>
>"PHATRS" <stoptryingtosp(a)m.me> wrote in message
>news:i2apt8$orm$1(a)news.albasani.net...
>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote:
>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/
>>>
>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough for
>>> some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should* be
>>> able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why are
>>> they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the all-day
>>> speed curfew.
>>
>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones were
>> implemented or after the permanent limit is in place.
>>
>> Lots of talk about fines though.
>>
>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to change the
>> signs.
>>
>> It's all about the money folks.
>>
>Already in up here around Darwin in some places. Schools is out at 2:30pm
>and no-one around after 3-3:30 but restriction until 5 just up the road from
>me. Expensive and big automatic LED signs installed.

I don't have a problem with the existing arrangements when they have
the automated solar-powered LED signs.

BUT .... it raises (in my tiny mind at least) two big questions
regarding the time.

In a S/Z without automated signs, who decides the start/end times -
the cop with the laser and a wrist watch, the motorist with a dodgy
dash clock, who? Does the law require - directly or indirectly - that
the motorist has an accurate timepiece so that (s)he may meet his/her
"obligations"?

And in a S/Z with the automated signs, does the operation (or
otherwise) of the sign take precedence over correct time if there is a
difference/error?
From: PhilD on

"who where" <noone(a)home.net> wrote in message
news:ee9i46l46a9p0pr8upu6vls7855j9scoul(a)4ax.com...
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:02 +0930, "PhilD"
> <replytonewsgrouponly(a)aussient.com.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>"PHATRS" <stoptryingtosp(a)m.me> wrote in message
>>news:i2apt8$orm$1(a)news.albasani.net...
>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote:
>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/
>>>>
>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough for
>>>> some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should* be
>>>> able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why are
>>>> they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the all-day
>>>> speed curfew.
>>>
>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones were
>>> implemented or after the permanent limit is in place.
>>>
>>> Lots of talk about fines though.
>>>
>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to change the
>>> signs.
>>>
>>> It's all about the money folks.
>>>
>>Already in up here around Darwin in some places. Schools is out at 2:30pm
>>and no-one around after 3-3:30 but restriction until 5 just up the road
>>from
>>me. Expensive and big automatic LED signs installed.
>
> I don't have a problem with the existing arrangements when they have
> the automated solar-powered LED signs.
>
> BUT .... it raises (in my tiny mind at least) two big questions
> regarding the time.
>
> In a S/Z without automated signs, who decides the start/end times -
> the cop with the laser and a wrist watch, the motorist with a dodgy
> dash clock, who? Does the law require - directly or indirectly - that
> the motorist has an accurate timepiece so that (s)he may meet his/her
> "obligations"?
>
> And in a S/Z with the automated signs, does the operation (or
> otherwise) of the sign take precedence over correct time if there is a
> difference/error?
Timely discussion. Went out for a walk earlier and signs were flashing for a
40 kph limit. Problem is it's a public holiday here, so what would be the
legal limit as nearby there is a sign that says that it's 40 on school days.

PhilD


From: The Raven on
"who where" <noone(a)home.net> wrote in message
news:9hph469mkol551q3833q437v8klrccuhc9(a)4ax.com...
> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/
>
> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough for
> some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should* be
> able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why are
> they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the all-day
> speed curfew.

Been happening in Melbourne for years. A school near my place has a
permanent 40Kph zone. I recall when that same road was 70, then 60, then 50,
and now 40. Over that 20+ year period only one person has been hit, the
crossing guard who got in the way of a mother rushing to drop off her kids.
So if the greatest risk is parents dropping off their kids, why does the
speed limit need to be permanently 40k?


From: D Walford on
On 23/07/2010 1:09 PM, George W Frost wrote:
> "who where"<noone(a)home.net> wrote in message
> news:9hph469mkol551q3833q437v8klrccuhc9(a)4ax.com...
>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/
>>
>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough for
>> some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should* be
>> able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why are
>> they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the all-day
>> speed curfew.
>
> Police issued fines to motorists caught travelling at almost 70km/h in
> school zones during traffic operations in Warwick and Bunbury on Tuesday.
>
> Earlier this month, a 44-year-old car salesman was sacked after he was
> caught driving at 101km/h in a 40km/h zone.
>
>
>
> But,
>
> was he sacked for going 101 kph through a 40 kph zone
>
> or was he sacked because he was doing 101 kph in a car which might not have
> been his own, maybe giving it a squirt up the road to see how it went,.
>
> Also, what time of the day was he caught going 101 kph?
>
> 3 pm, or 3 am ?
>

In what way does that matter?
He was doing more than double the speed limit so he was probably sacked
because he can no longer drive without a license.


Daryl