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From: OzOne on 24 Jul 2010 23:07 On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:24:19 +0800, "Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote: >who where wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:07:28 +1000, atec77 <atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> (snip) >>> If these kids are a product of modern high schools then bring back >>> the cane and other forms of smashing them into shape >> >> No, they are a product of three things, in chronological order. >> >> 1. Parents who failed to teach/control/discipline them before they >> ever start school. >> >> 2. A school system where the teachers aren't allowed to say anything >> negative to/about the evil monsters or say anything but praise in >> their reports. >> >> 3. A school system where the dunderheads who can't/won't learn can't >> be kept down (aka repeat the year) and so - when they fall off the >> learning cart - become a drag on the system which should be able to >> aim its effort at least as high as the average kid, instead of having >> to devote extra time to the knuckle-dragging sector. > >3/3 top of the class for you. > > Agreed. Kids are never told, "Sorry, that's not good enough" it's always "Good effort" despite the fact that 't's very obvious that absolutely no effort was used. THEN They get into the workforce and wonder why everyone wants to put them on trial and they get sacked after 3 days....or they go to TAFE, arrive late every day, don't do required work...and wonder why they failed. OzOne of the three twins I welcome you to Crackerbox Palace.
From: atec77 on 24 Jul 2010 22:27 On 25/07/2010 5:03 AM, Jason James wrote: > "atec77"<atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > The school system I know of (Primary),.. is virtually totally devoid of any > will to discipline repeatedly errant children. I know of one 5th form kid > who is a regular truant to the tune of one day a week. The school haven't > done anything with conviction to address the problem. It's as tho they dont > want to get involved. > > Of course I'm not referring to the "old" days when failure to provide A > note, would see you in a meeting with Mr Cane. They were a little too > draconian,...but like other things in one's life, it is a see-saw > thing,..from the rediculous to the sublime :-)... and vice-versa. > > Jason > > Simple solution is contact details up to date and called if no child in class with in 30 minutes with regular monitoring failure to address mean expulsion automatically after 3 fails in a term which under the current rules here in Qld , tafe or the parents have the potential for massive fines and the child being placed in remedial care Not perfect but it does work (kid across the road attends now) -- X-No-Archive: Yes
From: atec77 on 24 Jul 2010 22:29 On 25/07/2010 5:03 AM, Jason James wrote: > "atec77"<atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > The school system I know of (Primary),.. is virtually totally devoid of any > will to discipline repeatedly errant children. I know of one 5th form kid > who is a regular truant to the tune of one day a week. The school haven't > done anything with conviction to address the problem. It's as tho they dont > want to get involved. > > Of course I'm not referring to the "old" days when failure to provide A > note, would see you in a meeting with Mr Cane. They were a little too > draconian,...but like other things in one's life, it is a see-saw > thing,..from the rediculous to the sublime :-)... and vice-versa. > > Jason > > Simple solution is contact details up to date and called if no child in class with in 30 minutes with regular monitoring failure to address mean expulsion automatically after 3 fails in a term which under the current rules here in Qld , tafe or the parents have the potential for massive fines and the child being placed in remedial care Not perfect but it does work (kid across the road attends now) -- X-No-Archive: Yes
From: Jason James on 25 Jul 2010 02:45 "Toby" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:6k7h7m5ij807.1565vq7ylazdf$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 09:03:14 +1000, Albm&ctd posited in: > >> In article <37dl46tcaoet3v3nnh9f451fd3camcip70(a)4ax.com>, noone(a)home.net >> says... >>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:18:07 +1000, "George W Frost" >>> <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"F Murtz" <haggisz(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:4c4a5495$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au... >>>>> Clocky wrote: >>>>>> F Murtz wrote: >>>>>>> PHATRS wrote: >>>>>>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote: >>>>>>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough >>>>>>>>> for some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should* >>>>>>>>> be able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why >>>>>>>>> are they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the >>>>>>>>> all-day speed curfew. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones were >>>>>>>> implemented or after the permanent limit is in place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lots of talk about fines though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to change >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> signs. It's all about the money folks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>> There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase >>>>>>> elsewhere >>>>>>> as school zones are a completely wrong way to teach road safety to >>>>>>> young learning minds >>>>>>> They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they have >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> real road to contend with, they get run over. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's up to parents to teach them how to cross roads starting from as >>>>>> soon >>>>>> as >>>>>> they start to walk. >>>>>> >>>>>> If kids don't know how to cross a road by the time they go to school >>>>>> it's >>>>>> not the system that has failed the child... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> But they don't, so the govt puts these stupid non effective school >>>>> zone >>>>> restrictions on that don't drop the overall child accident rates, >>>>> instead >>>>> of training schoolchildren properly. >>>> >>>>Whatever happened to the local copper going to the school once a week >>>>giving >>>>the kids road use instructions >>> >>> Dunno, but the local copper giving them a firm clout behind the ear >>> the first time they got caught shoplifting is another effective >>> training method that has sadly (long) gone by the wayside. >>> >>> Now, primary school teachers are expected to instil everything from >>> values to social behaviour, and this to a horde who no longer show any >>> respect for their elders or society in general. Parents need to lift >>> their game big time. >>> >> Ashley, the government has taken over the parenting role. >> Just a quick look on the net to find what may be abuse: >> >> "Emotional Abuse occurs when a child's parent or caregiver repeatedly >> rejects >> the child or uses threats to frighten the child. This may involve name >> calling, >> put downs or continual coldness from the parent or caregiver, to the >> extent that >> it significantly damages the child's physical, social, intellectual or >> emotional >> development." >> >> Is it any wonder that the female role is to simply drop them out and drop >> them >> off for someone else to take care of? >> >> Al > > Hmm, and just how is one supposed to deal with a thouroughgoing little > arsehole these days, huh? I like to think I'm a revisionist in some areas,..but today's schools have gone past the rediculous to a form of extreme passivism or even extreme pacifism. We dont need a Hitler to correct things,..but a compact with the educational authorities, that repeated bad behaviour will bring consequences not excluding a physical tune-up of the corporal variety. No hope I know,..but it did keep a lot of louts in order, in our day. Jason
From: atec77 on 25 Jul 2010 03:06
On 25/07/2010 12:10 PM, who where wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:07:28 +1000, atec77<atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > (snip) >> If these kids are a product of modern high schools then bring back the >> cane and other forms of smashing them into shape > > No, they are a product of three things, in chronological order. > > 1. Parents who failed to teach/control/discipline them before they > ever start school. Yes agreed > > 2. A school system where the teachers aren't allowed to say anything > negative to/about the evil monsters or say anything but praise in > their reports. Thats incorrect > > 3. A school system where the dunderheads who can't/won't learn can't > be kept down (aka repeat the year) and so - when they fall off the > learning cart - become a drag on the system which should be able to > aim its effort at least as high as the average kid, instead of having > to devote extra time to the knuckle-dragging sector. They can be failed and then fall off the edge seems a little training like some home military work just be in order -- X-No-Archive: Yes |