From: who where on
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:24:19 +0800, "Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com>
wrote:

>who where wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:07:28 +1000, atec77 <atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>> If these kids are a product of modern high schools then bring back
>>> the cane and other forms of smashing them into shape
>>
>> No, they are a product of three things, in chronological order.
>>
>> 1. Parents who failed to teach/control/discipline them before they
>> ever start school.
>>
>> 2. A school system where the teachers aren't allowed to say anything
>> negative to/about the evil monsters or say anything but praise in
>> their reports.
>>
>> 3. A school system where the dunderheads who can't/won't learn can't
>> be kept down (aka repeat the year) and so - when they fall off the
>> learning cart - become a drag on the system which should be able to
>> aim its effort at least as high as the average kid, instead of having
>> to devote extra time to the knuckle-dragging sector.
>
>3/3 top of the class for you.

Meh! Easy stuff. SWMBO is a primary teacher ...
From: PhilD on

"Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message
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>F Murtz wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>> F Murtz wrote:
>>>> PHATRS wrote:
>>>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote:
>>>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough
>>>>>> for some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should*
>>>>>> be able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why
>>>>>> are they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the
>>>>>> all-day speed curfew.
>>>>>
>>>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones were
>>>>> implemented or after the permanent limit is in place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of talk about fines though.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to change
>>>>> the signs. It's all about the money folks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben
>>>> There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase
>>>> elsewhere as school zones are a completely wrong way to teach road
>>>> safety to young learning minds
>>>> They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they have
>>>> a real road to contend with, they get run over.
>>>
>>> It's up to parents to teach them how to cross roads starting from as
>>> soon as they start to walk.
>>>
>>> If kids don't know how to cross a road by the time they go to school
>>> it's not the system that has failed the child...
>>>
>>>
>> But they don't, so the govt puts these stupid non effective school
>> zone restrictions on that don't drop the overall child accident rates,
>> instead of training schoolchildren properly.
>
> Parents shold have taught their kids properly before they even make it to
> school age.
>
Spoken like someone who has never had kids. It doesn't matter how you try to
educate them as to road rules when in a moment of madness they suddenly dart
across the road or walk out in front of the bus they just got out of for so
many reasons. It does happen. It happened to my own son. He had no reason to
cross the road from the bus stop he and some others were waiting at, but for
some stupid reason they decided to have races to see who could touch the
fence across the road. The car just pulled up as it touched him and he got
away with very minor abrasions. He then learnt his lesson but up till then
we thought that we had trained him well.

PhilD


From: atec77 on
On 25/07/2010 5:26 PM, PhilD wrote:
> "Clocky"<notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message
> news:4c4ad353$0$28649$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>> F Murtz wrote:
>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>> F Murtz wrote:
>>>>> PHATRS wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote:
>>>>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough
>>>>>>> for some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should*
>>>>>>> be able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why
>>>>>>> are they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the
>>>>>>> all-day speed curfew.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones were
>>>>>> implemented or after the permanent limit is in place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of talk about fines though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to change
>>>>>> the signs. It's all about the money folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>> There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase
>>>>> elsewhere as school zones are a completely wrong way to teach road
>>>>> safety to young learning minds
>>>>> They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they have
>>>>> a real road to contend with, they get run over.
>>>>
>>>> It's up to parents to teach them how to cross roads starting from as
>>>> soon as they start to walk.
>>>>
>>>> If kids don't know how to cross a road by the time they go to school
>>>> it's not the system that has failed the child...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But they don't, so the govt puts these stupid non effective school
>>> zone restrictions on that don't drop the overall child accident rates,
>>> instead of training schoolchildren properly.
>>
>> Parents shold have taught their kids properly before they even make it to
>> school age.
>>
> Spoken like someone who has never had kids. It doesn't matter how you try to
> educate them as to road rules when in a moment of madness they suddenly dart
> across the road or walk out in front of the bus they just got out of for so
> many reasons. It does happen. It happened to my own son. He had no reason to
> cross the road from the bus stop he and some others were waiting at, but for
> some stupid reason they decided to have races to see who could touch the
> fence across the road. The car just pulled up as it touched him and he got
> away with very minor abrasions. He then learnt his lesson but up till then
> we thought that we had trained him well.
>
> PhilD
>
>
You missed the point
some ferrels find teaching children things like respect and work ethic
when they have zero themselves
makes it hard for the rest of us

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From: PhilD on

"atec77" <atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 25/07/2010 5:26 PM, PhilD wrote:
>> "Clocky"<notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c4ad353$0$28649$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>>> F Murtz wrote:
>>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>>> F Murtz wrote:
>>>>>> PHATRS wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't enough
>>>>>>>> for some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers (who *should*
>>>>>>>> be able to look out for themselves near a road?) and children (why
>>>>>>>> are they there?) outside those hours, seemingly necessitating the
>>>>>>>> all-day speed curfew.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones were
>>>>>>> implemented or after the permanent limit is in place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots of talk about fines though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to change
>>>>>>> the signs. It's all about the money folks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>> There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase
>>>>>> elsewhere as school zones are a completely wrong way to teach road
>>>>>> safety to young learning minds
>>>>>> They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they have
>>>>>> a real road to contend with, they get run over.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's up to parents to teach them how to cross roads starting from as
>>>>> soon as they start to walk.
>>>>>
>>>>> If kids don't know how to cross a road by the time they go to school
>>>>> it's not the system that has failed the child...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> But they don't, so the govt puts these stupid non effective school
>>>> zone restrictions on that don't drop the overall child accident rates,
>>>> instead of training schoolchildren properly.
>>>
>>> Parents shold have taught their kids properly before they even make it
>>> to
>>> school age.
>>>
>> Spoken like someone who has never had kids. It doesn't matter how you try
>> to
>> educate them as to road rules when in a moment of madness they suddenly
>> dart
>> across the road or walk out in front of the bus they just got out of for
>> so
>> many reasons. It does happen. It happened to my own son. He had no reason
>> to
>> cross the road from the bus stop he and some others were waiting at, but
>> for
>> some stupid reason they decided to have races to see who could touch the
>> fence across the road. The car just pulled up as it touched him and he
>> got
>> away with very minor abrasions. He then learnt his lesson but up till
>> then
>> we thought that we had trained him well.
>>
>> PhilD
>>
>>
> You missed the point
> some ferrels find teaching children things like respect and work ethic
> when they have zero themselves
> makes it hard for the rest of us
>
The previous comment was about school zones and teaching kids to not have an
accident crossing the road, so where was my comment not on topic?

PhilD


From: Marts on
who where wrote...

> I don't have a problem with the existing arrangements when they have
> the automated solar-powered LED signs.

In Victoria it's from 2.30pm to 4pm during the arvo. Can't remember early
morning times, but they're all the same statewide. And there are signs as you
approach the SZ to advise you of this.

But, a cheap alternative would be to use the big red flags to alert motorists to
the currently active school times, so that motorists who don't have kids and who
aren't aware of when "school times" are, won't be pinged.

I wonder how many have been done for doing 60 in a 40 school time zone, at one
minute after/before the start/end times?

You'd hope that the coppers would give you the benefit of the doubt. But if
there are speed cameras set up, then you're a victim of the "scientific
instrument" that is the super calibrated ex peditious revenue raiser and
therefore it cannot be argued against.

Unless, of course, you have an atomic clock in your car and it's connected to a
webcam and a photo printer...