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From: Clocky on 25 Jul 2010 06:58 who where wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:24:19 +0800, "Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> > wrote: > >> who where wrote: >>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:07:28 +1000, atec77 <atec77(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> (snip) >>>> If these kids are a product of modern high schools then bring back >>>> the cane and other forms of smashing them into shape >>> >>> No, they are a product of three things, in chronological order. >>> >>> 1. Parents who failed to teach/control/discipline them before they >>> ever start school. >>> >>> 2. A school system where the teachers aren't allowed to say >>> anything negative to/about the evil monsters or say anything but >>> praise in their reports. >>> >>> 3. A school system where the dunderheads who can't/won't learn >>> can't be kept down (aka repeat the year) and so - when they fall >>> off the learning cart - become a drag on the system which should be >>> able to aim its effort at least as high as the average kid, instead >>> of having to devote extra time to the knuckle-dragging sector. >> >> 3/3 top of the class for you. > > Meh! Easy stuff. SWMBO is a primary teacher ... Heh, not just a curriculum follower but a real teacher that knows stuff then presumably ;-)
From: who where on 25 Jul 2010 07:07 On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:00:44 +1000, Marts <marts(a)ymail.com> wrote: >who where wrote... > >> I don't have a problem with the existing arrangements when they have >> the automated solar-powered LED signs. > >In Victoria it's from 2.30pm to 4pm during the arvo. Can't remember early >morning times, but they're all the same statewide. And there are signs as you >approach the SZ to advise you of this. > >But, a cheap alternative would be to use the big red flags to alert motorists to >the currently active school times, so that motorists who don't have kids and who >aren't aware of when "school times" are, won't be pinged. > >I wonder how many have been done for doing 60 in a 40 school time zone, at one >minute after/before the start/end times? > >You'd hope that the coppers would give you the benefit of the doubt. But if >there are speed cameras set up, then you're a victim of the "scientific >instrument" that is the super calibrated ex peditious revenue raiser and >therefore it cannot be argued against. > >Unless, of course, you have an atomic clock in your car and it's connected to a >webcam and a photo printer... Spoke to a cop mate yesterday. Although he couldn't answer *which* time reference they use, they do (in WA) apparently have a 3 minute tolerance at each end of the SZ window.
From: Clocky on 25 Jul 2010 07:08 PhilD wrote: > "atec77" <atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:i2grq6$bt3$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> On 25/07/2010 5:26 PM, PhilD wrote: >>> "Clocky"<notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message >>> news:4c4ad353$0$28649$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> F Murtz wrote: >>>>> Clocky wrote: >>>>>> F Murtz wrote: >>>>>>> PHATRS wrote: >>>>>>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote: >>>>>>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't >>>>>>>>> enough for some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers >>>>>>>>> (who *should* be able to look out for themselves near a >>>>>>>>> road?) and children (why are they there?) outside those >>>>>>>>> hours, seemingly necessitating the all-day speed curfew. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones >>>>>>>> were implemented or after the permanent limit is in place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lots of talk about fines though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to >>>>>>>> change the signs. It's all about the money folks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>> There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase >>>>>>> elsewhere as school zones are a completely wrong way to teach >>>>>>> road safety to young learning minds >>>>>>> They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they >>>>>>> have a real road to contend with, they get run over. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's up to parents to teach them how to cross roads starting >>>>>> from as soon as they start to walk. >>>>>> >>>>>> If kids don't know how to cross a road by the time they go to >>>>>> school it's not the system that has failed the child... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> But they don't, so the govt puts these stupid non effective school >>>>> zone restrictions on that don't drop the overall child accident >>>>> rates, instead of training schoolchildren properly. >>>> >>>> Parents shold have taught their kids properly before they even >>>> make it to >>>> school age. >>>> >>> Spoken like someone who has never had kids. It doesn't matter how >>> you try to >>> educate them as to road rules when in a moment of madness they >>> suddenly dart >>> across the road or walk out in front of the bus they just got out >>> of for so >>> many reasons. It does happen. It happened to my own son. He had no >>> reason to >>> cross the road from the bus stop he and some others were waiting >>> at, but for >>> some stupid reason they decided to have races to see who could >>> touch the fence across the road. The car just pulled up as it >>> touched him and he got >>> away with very minor abrasions. He then learnt his lesson but up >>> till then >>> we thought that we had trained him well. >>> >>> PhilD >>> >>> >> You missed the point >> some ferrels find teaching children things like respect and work >> ethic when they have zero themselves >> makes it hard for the rest of us >> > The previous comment was about school zones and teaching kids to not > have an accident crossing the road, so where was my comment not on > topic? It's on-topic but I think you missed the point. Clearly you see the point and benefits of teaching your kids - don't you wish all parents did the same? You can see what benefits teaching respect and a sense of responsibility from an early age brings to society as a whole, right?
From: who where on 25 Jul 2010 07:11 On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:06:41 +1000, atec77 <atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >On 25/07/2010 12:10 PM, who where wrote: >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:07:28 +1000, atec77<atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> (snip) >>> If these kids are a product of modern high schools then bring back the >>> cane and other forms of smashing them into shape >> >> No, they are a product of three things, in chronological order. >> >> 1. Parents who failed to teach/control/discipline them before they >> ever start school. > > > >Yes agreed >> >> 2. A school system where the teachers aren't allowed to say anything >> negative to/about the evil monsters or say anything but praise in >> their reports. > Thats incorrect Not in primary ed in WA. That's where the damage (after 1) is entrenched. >> 3. A school system where the dunderheads who can't/won't learn can't >> be kept down (aka repeat the year) and so - when they fall off the >> learning cart - become a drag on the system which should be able to >> aim its effort at least as high as the average kid, instead of having >> to devote extra time to the knuckle-dragging sector. > They can be failed (snip) Not in primary ed in WA
From: PhilD on 25 Jul 2010 08:08
"Clocky" <notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message news:4c4c1b18$0$28646$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > PhilD wrote: >> "atec77" <atec77(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:i2grq6$bt3$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> On 25/07/2010 5:26 PM, PhilD wrote: >>>> "Clocky"<notgonn(a)happen.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4c4ad353$0$28649$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>>> F Murtz wrote: >>>>>> Clocky wrote: >>>>>>> F Murtz wrote: >>>>>>>> PHATRS wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 23/07/10 10:48, who where wrote: >>>>>>>>>> http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/7631821/all-day-40km-h-zone-plan-backed/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Apparently the 90 minutes each morning and afternoon aren't >>>>>>>>>> enough for some. Now it seems there are more parents/carers >>>>>>>>>> (who *should* be able to look out for themselves near a >>>>>>>>>> road?) and children (why are they there?) outside those >>>>>>>>>> hours, seemingly necessitating the all-day speed curfew. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No mention of the impact on the road toll, before 40km zones >>>>>>>>> were implemented or after the permanent limit is in place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of talk about fines though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And the council guy says they are concerned about cost to >>>>>>>>> change the signs. It's all about the money folks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>>> There Is a minor reduction in toll at zones but an increase >>>>>>>> elsewhere as school zones are a completely wrong way to teach >>>>>>>> road safety to young learning minds >>>>>>>> They get conditioned about roads at school zones and when they >>>>>>>> have a real road to contend with, they get run over. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's up to parents to teach them how to cross roads starting >>>>>>> from as soon as they start to walk. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If kids don't know how to cross a road by the time they go to >>>>>>> school it's not the system that has failed the child... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> But they don't, so the govt puts these stupid non effective school >>>>>> zone restrictions on that don't drop the overall child accident >>>>>> rates, instead of training schoolchildren properly. >>>>> >>>>> Parents shold have taught their kids properly before they even >>>>> make it to >>>>> school age. >>>>> >>>> Spoken like someone who has never had kids. It doesn't matter how >>>> you try to >>>> educate them as to road rules when in a moment of madness they >>>> suddenly dart >>>> across the road or walk out in front of the bus they just got out >>>> of for so >>>> many reasons. It does happen. It happened to my own son. He had no >>>> reason to >>>> cross the road from the bus stop he and some others were waiting >>>> at, but for >>>> some stupid reason they decided to have races to see who could >>>> touch the fence across the road. The car just pulled up as it >>>> touched him and he got >>>> away with very minor abrasions. He then learnt his lesson but up >>>> till then >>>> we thought that we had trained him well. >>>> >>>> PhilD >>>> >>>> >>> You missed the point >>> some ferrels find teaching children things like respect and work >>> ethic when they have zero themselves >>> makes it hard for the rest of us >>> >> The previous comment was about school zones and teaching kids to not >> have an accident crossing the road, so where was my comment not on >> topic? > > It's on-topic but I think you missed the point. > Then get to the point that I'm apparently missing. > Clearly you see the point and benefits of teaching your kids - don't you > wish all parents did the same? You can see what benefits teaching respect > and a sense of responsibility from an early age brings to society as a > whole, right? There's 2 subjects being discussed here and I was only commenting on the accident prevention one as I had no problem with the other about responsibilities. I object to the blanket answer that parents teaching their kids fixes the problem. Even if all parents taught their kids you would still have accidents. They learn from so many different sources, especially from bad sources, that parents have little control over. It's a bit like some safety signs that we used to have in the workplace dunnies stuck to mirrors. They stated that "You are looking at the person responsible for your own safety". I wanted them removed because they are complete bullshit. You can be as safe as you like but there's always someone who can cause you to have an accident. PhilD |