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From: Mike G on 21 Jun 2008 18:59 "Knight Of The Road" <russiatrucking(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:K5mdnXgK5aw8-8DVnZ2dnUVZ8qrinZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote > >> They weren't always. > > No they weren't. But if the target is that 50% of students get > one, then they are pretty devalued as a currency. > >> I couldn't agree more but it doesn't seem to the 'fashion' to >> dirty one's hands >> with honest toil any more. > I agree but I have no idea why not. I think it's down to the traditional perception that being a manual worker, and getting ones hands dirty, is a less desirable occupation than that of working in an office, and in general our educational system reinforces that view. That's all very well, but someone has to manufacture the products and ship them, to give those in the office a job. Many skilled workers could do office jobs if they had to or wanted to, but the reverse is certainly not true. Mike.
From: Conor on 21 Jun 2008 19:06 In article <485D7D72.B40FE3EB(a)hotmail.com>, Eeyore says... > > > Knight Of The Road wrote: > > > "Eeyore" wrote > > > > > They weren't always. > > > > No they weren't. But if the target is that 50% of students get one, then > > they are pretty devalued as a currency. > > Utterly. Indeed it's farcical. > However you can take heart in knowing that there's still some people out there who know an engineering degree is a proper one and not a mickey mouse meedja jobbie. Still won't get you more money but at least you know they'll think something of you for having it. -- Conor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams
From: Knight Of The Road on 21 Jun 2008 20:49 "Mike G" <metier(a)largefoot.com> wrote > I think it's down to the traditional perception that being a manual > worker, and getting ones hands dirty, is a less desirable occupation than > that of working in an office, I couldn't imagine anything worse than "working in an office". someone has to manufacture the products > and ship them, to give those in the office a job. Yes, don't you just hate those office parasites? > Many skilled workers could do office jobs if they had to or wanted to, but > the reverse is certainly not true. Spot on Mike. -- Regards, Vince. Long Distance Diary 30th May 2008- Switzerland http://trucknetuk.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32454
From: Mike G on 22 Jun 2008 07:53 "Knight Of The Road" <russiatrucking(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:NaudnQ69iZEvPMDVnZ2dnUVZ8tninZ2d(a)bt.com... > > > "Mike G" <metier(a)largefoot.com> wrote > > >> I think it's down to the traditional perception that being a >> manual worker, and getting ones hands dirty, is a less >> desirable occupation than >> that of working in an office, > I couldn't imagine anything worse than "working in an office". Depends. I've worked in both environments. I'm basically a practical precision engineer, but I've been in management. Foreman, works manager etc, and for a number of years worked in my own toolmaking Co, so I'd say both jobs have their place, and both can be interesting and intellectually challenging. > someone has to manufacture the products >> and ship them, to give those in the office a job. > Yes, don't you just hate those office parasites? I wouldn't go that far. IMO too many are just button or paper pushers, but some are essential, if only to keep 'the wheels of industry rolling' :-) Mike.
From: Brimstone on 22 Jun 2008 07:56
Mike G wrote: > "Knight Of The Road" <russiatrucking(a)hotmail.com> wrote in > message news:NaudnQ69iZEvPMDVnZ2dnUVZ8tninZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >> >> "Mike G" <metier(a)largefoot.com> wrote >> >> >>> I think it's down to the traditional perception that being a >>> manual worker, and getting ones hands dirty, is a less >>> desirable occupation than >> that of working in an office, > >> I couldn't imagine anything worse than "working in an office". > > Depends. I've worked in both environments. > I'm basically a practical precision engineer, but I've been in > management. Foreman, works manager etc, and for a number of years > worked in my own toolmaking Co, so I'd say both jobs have their > place, and both can be interesting and intellectually > challenging. > >> someone has to manufacture the products >>> and ship them, to give those in the office a job. > >> Yes, don't you just hate those office parasites? > > I wouldn't go that far. IMO too many are just button or paper > pushers, but some are essential, if only to keep 'the wheels of > industry rolling' :-) Indeed, manual worked who complain about pen-pushers should remember that somone has to sign the pay cheque. |