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From: Mike G on 22 Jun 2008 14:34 "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message news:cYt7k.89480$1B6.76800(a)newsfe21.ams2... > On 22/06/2008 01:49:52, "Knight Of The Road" wrote: >> >> >> "Mike G" <metier(a)largefoot.com> wrote >> >> >>> I think it's down to the traditional perception that being a >>> manual >>> worker, and getting ones hands dirty, is a less desirable >>> occupation than >>> that of working in an office, >> >> >> I couldn't imagine anything worse than "working in an office". > > Neither could I, until I did and found the time went ten times > quicker - > probably down to manual workers spending a whole lot more time > doing nothing. > >> someone has to manufacture the products >>> and ship them, to give those in the office a job. >> >> >> Yes, don't you just hate those office parasites? > > We all need each other. > >>> Many skilled workers could do office jobs if they had to or >>> wanted to, but >>> the reverse is certainly not true. >> >> >> Spot on Mike. > > Eh, no it isn't. Care to explain that comment. Most office work doesn't require any particular skills other than intelligence and common sense. I'm a skilled practical precision engineer. I had no problem on the clerical side when I was a works manager for 6 years, or when running my own engineering business. The majority of office work is repetitious and easily learned, which is more than can be said for most skilled manual work. Mike.
From: Raymond Keattch on 22 Jun 2008 16:52 On 22/06/2008 17:18:05, "Knight Of The Road" wrote: > > > "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote > > >>> I couldn't imagine anything worse than "working in an office". > > >> >> Neither could I, until I did and found the time went ten times quicker - > > > > > I thought you worked in a signal box? Before that I spent 10 years in an office. -- MrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi
From: Raymond Keattch on 22 Jun 2008 16:53 On 22/06/2008 19:34:36, "Mike G" wrote: > > "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:cYt7k.89480$1B6.76800(a)newsfe21.ams2... >> On 22/06/2008 01:49:52, "Knight Of The Road" wrote: >>> >>> >>> "Mike G" <metier(a)largefoot.com> wrote >>> >>> >>>> I think it's down to the traditional perception that being a >>>> manual >>>> worker, and getting ones hands dirty, is a less desirable >>>> occupation than >>>> that of working in an office, >>> >>> >>> I couldn't imagine anything worse than "working in an office". >> >> Neither could I, until I did and found the time went ten times >> quicker - >> probably down to manual workers spending a whole lot more time >> doing nothing. >> >>> someone has to manufacture the products >>>> and ship them, to give those in the office a job. >>> >>> >>> Yes, don't you just hate those office parasites? >> >> We all need each other. >> >>>> Many skilled workers could do office jobs if they had to or >>>> wanted to, but >>>> the reverse is certainly not true. >>> >>> >>> Spot on Mike. >> >> Eh, no it isn't. > > Care to explain that comment. > Most office work doesn't require any particular skills other than > intelligence and common sense. > I'm a skilled practical precision engineer. I had no problem on > the clerical side when I was a works manager for 6 years, or when > running my own engineering business. > The majority of office work is repetitious and easily learned, > which is more than can be said for most skilled manual work. > Mike. I took the comment to mean with training. -- MrBitsy Rover 75 CDTi
From: Mike G on 22 Jun 2008 20:43 "Raymond Keattch" <ray.keattch(a)nowhere.com> wrote in message news:YYy7k.23016$aE7.11462(a)newsfe16.ams2... > On 22/06/2008 19:34:36, "Mike G" wrote: >>>>> Many skilled workers could do office jobs if they had to or >>>>> wanted to, but >>>>> the reverse is certainly not true. >>>> >>>> >>>> Spot on Mike. >>> >>> Eh, no it isn't. >> >> Care to explain that comment. >> Most office work doesn't require any particular skills other >> than >> intelligence and common sense. >> I'm a skilled practical precision engineer. I had no problem >> on >> the clerical side when I was a works manager for 6 years, or >> when >> running my own engineering business. >> The majority of office work is repetitious and easily learned, >> which is more than can be said for most skilled manual work. >> Mike. > > I took the comment to mean with training. I think the point Vince is making, and I'm certainly making, is that most office work can be done after maybe a brief familiarisation period of a few hours. Nothing like the training required for most skilled manual workers, and IME most skilled manual workers are perfectly capable of doing paperwork. They just prefer manual work. Mike.
From: Clive George on 22 Jun 2008 21:04
"Mike G" <metier(a)largefoot.com> wrote in message news:lsSdnbDO_dE3bMPVnZ2dnUVZ8sTinZ2d(a)posted.plusnet... > I think the point Vince is making, and I'm certainly making, is that most > office work can be done after maybe a brief familiarisation period of a > few hours. > Nothing like the training required for most skilled manual workers, and > IME most skilled manual workers are perfectly capable of doing paperwork. > They just prefer manual work. Hmm. We're talking low-end clerical stuff here aren't we. There's rather a lot more that goes on in offices beyond that... (for an equivalent to your skilled manual worker, try getting a decent CAD technician - they work in offices, but I'd hope you don't believe they just take a few hours familiarisation.). cheers, clive |