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From: hippo on 29 Jun 2010 01:33
John_H wrote:
>
> Marts wrote:
> >
> >Then a copper called in. He said that he was a former accident
investigator. He
> >said that in 20 years in the job he never found the cause, or underlying
cause
> >of any crash was down to excessive tinting. But then, given how they often
cite
> >"speed" as the main cause of all of our woes, this too has to be taken
> >cautiously.
>
> Actually crash investigators find only a relatively low percentage of
> crashes are caused by excessive speed (not necessarily speeding).
> GovCo spin does the rest.
>
> OTOH failing to give right of way is a major cause... how many of
> those couldn't see the other vehicle is probably anyone's guess! :)
>

From personal observations over 30 years of seeing near misses at 3 or 4
of the worst intersections on the Princes Highway for T bone collisions,
the issue may not be so much 'failure to see', as 'complete inability to
accurately judge the speed and distance of an oncoming vehicle'. Watching
cars crawl (15-20 tops) across the Hwy at Gerringong while a fully laden
truck comes down the hill at 80Km/H is a pretty horrifying several times
daily occurence. Cheers

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From: hippo on 29 Jun 2010 01:54
Crash Lander wrote:
>
> Marts wrote:
>
> > Victoria Police current has an operation running. It's about
> > excessive tinting and the risks that it poses to other road users, in
> > particular, cyclists, pedestrians and motorcyclists, which can be
> > difficult to spot, or so they say.
> >
> > This morning they pulled over around 50 cars in the Carlton
> > (Melbourne inner suburb). 35 of them were defected due to their
> > tinting being excessive.
> >
> > The police have a light meter. They request the driver to wind down a
> > window part way, then attach a device to one side, presumably a light
> > transmitter, and the detection unit on the other. If less than 35% of
> > the light is filtered then the car is defected.
> >
> > For those who aren't familiar with this Victoria Police will slap a
> > large yellow label (we used to call them "canaries" way back when) on
> > the windscreen. The driver then has a limited period of time to get
> > the car inspected by Vicroads after the faults are rectified.
> >
> > Anyway, I was listening to the radio which reported on it. One fellow
> > called in. Supposedly a travelling salesman, his near new Falcon has
> > dealer fitted tinting. His reading was "31". He was slapped with a
> > canary and was told to get the car de-tinted. In the meantime he had
> > to drive with his windows down.
> >
> > A fellow claiming to be a licensed motor vehicle tester called in. He
> > said that what tends to happen is that most cars come with a tint
> > ex-factory, which is legal. Then the dealer or the owner may get it
> > tinted by say, Tint a Car. This will put it under the legal threshold.
> >
> > The driver who called in said that he went to the dealer and had a
> > whinge. Apparently the dealer had the car sent off to a third party
> > mob to get the tinting done. He then went there. The fellow there
> > said that he had done about 15,000 cars and his was the first to have
> > problems. He was probably trying to say that he is an isolated case.
> >
> > But what he wasn't considering is that this is the first time that
> > the police has made an effort to police this particular problem.
> >
> > Then a copper called in. He said that he was a former accident
> > investigator. He said that in 20 years in the job he never found the
> > cause, or underlying cause of any crash was down to excessive
> > tinting. But then, given how they often cite "speed" as the main
> > cause of all of our woes, this too has to be taken cautiously.
> >
> > So, if you have had tinting done, or expect to get it done, it might
> > pay to ask the question about this.
>
> How do Limo's get by then?
> Many cars have all windows tinted, except the drivers onde, and the
> windscreen.
> Crash Lander
>



In NSW at least, since 1994 the minimum visible light transmission allowed
for new tinting on vehicles is 35% for any window on a passenger vehicles
*except* the windscreen and the same for both front side windows on a
commercial vehicle. Anything at all other than a strip across the top 10%
of the front screen is prohibited & windscreen VLT must be at least 75%.
AFAIK, other windows in commercial vehicles are unrestricted.

The max allowable tint % here for the driver and front passenger windows
used to be different than for other doors or the rear screen & from
memory, the windcreen VLT requirement was 85%. From my experience, some
tinters still seem to be working to the old rules!

NSW RTA put out this info. Presumably other states have something similar.
http://fat.ly/y41vg

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From: George W Frost on 29 Jun 2010 02:20

"Crash Lander" <idont(a)think.so> wrote in message
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> Marts wrote:
>
>> So, if you have had tinting done, or expect to get it done, it might
>> pay to ask the question about this.
>
> How do Limo's get by then?
> Many cars have all windows tinted, except the drivers onde, and the
> windscreen.
> Crash Lander
>
> --
>

There was a rule a while ago, where the windscreen could not be tinted apart
from the sun screen at the top,
the front driver and passenger windows were allowed to be tinted, but only
to a certain degree, could be 25 or 30%
The rear windows behind the fdriver, were alloweed to be tinted to whatever
you wanted,
They could be blacked out if you wish, as in a panel van.
I had a Fairlane with the rear passenger windows coated with a heavy black
plastic with tiny little holes in it, enough to see out, but black enough
for anyone on the outside not to be able to see who or what was in the back
seat, which pissed off a copper one day he stopped me, he peered in trying
to see, the window was down about two inches and I had my trusty female
German Shepherd in the back, who immediately she saw someone trying to steal
her car, lunged at the copper and his khaki jodpurs would have had an extra
line of brown leading from his crotch


From: The Raven on 29 Jun 2010 05:21
"Crash Lander" <idont(a)think.so> wrote in message
news:ZTdWn.998$vD2.834(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Marts wrote:
>
>> Victoria Police current has an operation running. It's about
>> excessive tinting and the risks that it poses to other road users, in
>> particular, cyclists, pedestrians and motorcyclists, which can be
>> difficult to spot, or so they say.
>>
>> This morning they pulled over around 50 cars in the Carlton
>> (Melbourne inner suburb). 35 of them were defected due to their
>> tinting being excessive.
>>
>> The police have a light meter. They request the driver to wind down a
>> window part way, then attach a device to one side, presumably a light
>> transmitter, and the detection unit on the other. If less than 35% of
>> the light is filtered then the car is defected.
>>
>> For those who aren't familiar with this Victoria Police will slap a
>> large yellow label (we used to call them "canaries" way back when) on
>> the windscreen. The driver then has a limited period of time to get
>> the car inspected by Vicroads after the faults are rectified.
>>
>> Anyway, I was listening to the radio which reported on it. One fellow
>> called in. Supposedly a travelling salesman, his near new Falcon has
>> dealer fitted tinting. His reading was "31". He was slapped with a
>> canary and was told to get the car de-tinted. In the meantime he had
>> to drive with his windows down.
>>
>> A fellow claiming to be a licensed motor vehicle tester called in. He
>> said that what tends to happen is that most cars come with a tint
>> ex-factory, which is legal. Then the dealer or the owner may get it
>> tinted by say, Tint a Car. This will put it under the legal threshold.
>>
>> The driver who called in said that he went to the dealer and had a
>> whinge. Apparently the dealer had the car sent off to a third party
>> mob to get the tinting done. He then went there. The fellow there
>> said that he had done about 15,000 cars and his was the first to have
>> problems. He was probably trying to say that he is an isolated case.
>>
>> But what he wasn't considering is that this is the first time that
>> the police has made an effort to police this particular problem.
>>
>> Then a copper called in. He said that he was a former accident
>> investigator. He said that in 20 years in the job he never found the
>> cause, or underlying cause of any crash was down to excessive
>> tinting. But then, given how they often cite "speed" as the main
>> cause of all of our woes, this too has to be taken cautiously.
>>
>> So, if you have had tinting done, or expect to get it done, it might
>> pay to ask the question about this.
>
> How do Limo's get by then?
> Many cars have all windows tinted, except the drivers onde, and the
> windscreen.
> Crash Lander

A good read of the ADRs will show what is legal.

My reading of the ADRs indicates that:

1. If the car has side mirrors (one each side) then there is no requirement
for a rearview mirror.
2. If the car has side mirrors then all other windows behind the driver
*CAN* be obscured (aka delivery vans etc).
3. Window tinting of windscreens, other than the band at the top, is illegal
(but of course Pugeots are somehow exempt).
4. There is no distinction for passenger vehicles, vans etc. Yes, there is
for trucks but that's a different matter.

So as long as any tinting within the drivers normal field of view (90
degrees each side of looking forward) is legal *AND* you have side mirrors
there can be no offence.

Of course, the average police officer isn't aware of these nuances. I spent
two minutes at a booze bus trying to explain to explain to the police
officer that my rear door windows being 'obscured' was not an offence.
Firstly, it wasn't obscured as I had specifically left a spot clear to look
through when turning my head AND that my vehicles windows complied with the
ADRs. He claimed otherwise so I asked him to get out his copy of the ADRs so
we could look through it together. Of course, he stood his ground and I said
"whatever" and left.

So Limo's are legal as long as the driver and passenger window have legal
tinting, behind the drivers seats anything goes with respect tinting.


From: Noddy on 29 Jun 2010 06:20

"D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message
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> AFAIK canaries usually come with a fine but since I've never had one I
> wouldn't 100% guarantee that.

They haven't on any one that I've ever had, but it's been some years since
I've had one.

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Regards,
Noddy.



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