From: Chris Whelan on
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:52:56 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:

[...]

> Oh yes, they are marvellous now, it took me all of an hour to get my
> viva started after it had stood for twenty years, no cost other than
> battery and petrol.

How many average folk would want to leave a car standing unused for 20
years, and then be able to use it though?

Today's cars in the main are safer, faster, cheaper to buy, cheaper to
run, less polluting, more comfortable, and much more reliable than many
from only a couple of decades ago.

I can still remember with surprise and a measure of disbelief, reading of
owners in the motoring press claiming their car had covered 100,000 miles
on the same engine. Chances are they had at least one top-end rebuild in
that time, and oil changes at least every 6,000 miles.

Today, oil changes can be up to 20,000 miles, and you would expect to get
200,000 miles out of an engine.

Chris

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From: Mrcheerful on
Chris Whelan wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:52:56 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Oh yes, they are marvellous now, it took me all of an hour to get my
>> viva started after it had stood for twenty years, no cost other than
>> battery and petrol.
>
> How many average folk would want to leave a car standing unused for 20
> years, and then be able to use it though?
>
> Today's cars in the main are safer, faster, cheaper to buy, cheaper to
> run, less polluting, more comfortable, and much more reliable than
> many from only a couple of decades ago.
>
> I can still remember with surprise and a measure of disbelief,
> reading of owners in the motoring press claiming their car had
> covered 100,000 miles on the same engine. Chances are they had at
> least one top-end rebuild in that time, and oil changes at least
> every 6,000 miles.
>
> Today, oil changes can be up to 20,000 miles, and you would expect to
> get 200,000 miles out of an engine.
>
> Chris

I know they are much better 'in some ways' but if I had to drive something
across a desert then I would pick something fixable, with points and a
carburettor, cables instead of wires and sensors, cam chain rather than belt
etc. I haven't used my landrover for at least ten years, but I would lay
money on being able to drive it within an hour if I needed to. I doubt very
much that something modern could do the same after the same rest.


From: Duncan Wood on
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:27:46 +0100, Mrcheerful <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

> Chris Whelan wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:52:56 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Oh yes, they are marvellous now, it took me all of an hour to get my
>>> viva started after it had stood for twenty years, no cost other than
>>> battery and petrol.
>>
>> How many average folk would want to leave a car standing unused for 20
>> years, and then be able to use it though?
>>
>> Today's cars in the main are safer, faster, cheaper to buy, cheaper to
>> run, less polluting, more comfortable, and much more reliable than
>> many from only a couple of decades ago.
>>
>> I can still remember with surprise and a measure of disbelief,
>> reading of owners in the motoring press claiming their car had
>> covered 100,000 miles on the same engine. Chances are they had at
>> least one top-end rebuild in that time, and oil changes at least
>> every 6,000 miles.
>>
>> Today, oil changes can be up to 20,000 miles, and you would expect to
>> get 200,000 miles out of an engine.
>>
>> Chris
>
> I know they are much better 'in some ways' but if I had to drive
> something
> across a desert then I would pick something fixable, with points and a
> carburettor, cables instead of wires and sensors, cam chain rather than
> belt
> etc. I haven't used my landrover for at least ten years, but I would lay
> money on being able to drive it within an hour if I needed to. I doubt
> very
> much that something modern could do the same after the same rest.
>
>

Toyotas seem rather more popular in most deserts :-)
From: Mrcheerful on
Tim Watts wrote:
> PJK <pjk321(a)hotmail.co.uk>
> wibbled on Sunday 06 June 2010 12:57
>
>
>> I've recently had a turbo go on a Passat and was very happy with an
>> independent VW specialist in T Wells details here:
>>
>> www.jgarage.co.uk
>>
>> They were quick, thorough and reasonably priced although that was of
>> course only my experience.
>
> Thank you again Peter.
>
> Joe's fixed it in 24 hours - just got it today. Had a chat with Joe -
> he's very knowledgeable - so anyone else in that part of Kent/E
> Sussex can consider this another recommendation. About a mile from
> High Brooms station and 1/2 mile from the start of the main town, so
> getting there/back without a car is practical...
>
> The actual problem, specifically was a jammed throttle valve. That
> engine is fully drive by wire, so there's a motor on the throttle
> valve and something seized it shut which is why it wouldn't start.
> New unit (though he did manage to transfer the EGR over to save
> buying that bit).
>
> He said he's not come across one of those failing. On my car the more
> common expensive problem is when the air con packs up in his
> experience. Other than that, he said he hadn't noticed any major
> problems that I should worry about. So he's got all my future
> servicing...
>
> We both wondered how long the dealer fitters would have taken to
> diagnose this issue... (No fault codes).

this must be one of the few diesels with a throttle valve, last one I saw
was a bedford tk.

a full description and analysis of failure is here:
http://www.ms-motor-service.com/ximages/pg_si_0095_en_web.pdf

interesting read for us anoraks!!


From: Mrcheerful on
Duncan Wood wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:27:46 +0100, Mrcheerful <nbkm57(a)hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Chris Whelan wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:52:56 +0100, Mrcheerful wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Oh yes, they are marvellous now, it took me all of an hour to get
>>>> my viva started after it had stood for twenty years, no cost other
>>>> than battery and petrol.
>>>
>>> How many average folk would want to leave a car standing unused for
>>> 20 years, and then be able to use it though?
>>>
>>> Today's cars in the main are safer, faster, cheaper to buy, cheaper
>>> to run, less polluting, more comfortable, and much more reliable
>>> than many from only a couple of decades ago.
>>>
>>> I can still remember with surprise and a measure of disbelief,
>>> reading of owners in the motoring press claiming their car had
>>> covered 100,000 miles on the same engine. Chances are they had at
>>> least one top-end rebuild in that time, and oil changes at least
>>> every 6,000 miles.
>>>
>>> Today, oil changes can be up to 20,000 miles, and you would expect
>>> to get 200,000 miles out of an engine.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> I know they are much better 'in some ways' but if I had to drive
>> something
>> across a desert then I would pick something fixable, with points and
>> a carburettor, cables instead of wires and sensors, cam chain rather
>> than belt
>> etc. I haven't used my landrover for at least ten years, but I
>> would lay money on being able to drive it within an hour if I needed
>> to. I doubt very
>> much that something modern could do the same after the same rest.
>>
>>
>
> Toyotas seem rather more popular in most deserts :-)

ever watch 'ice cold in alex' as a child? land rover is my equivalent!!!


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