From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:28:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:53:47 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:32:41 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:48:40 -0500, "C. E. White"
>>> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Ed Maier" <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:hlu5is$uvm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>>> Read Kimberley A. Strassel's article in this weekend's Wall Street
>>>>>> Journal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems the whole flap has indeed been concocted by the owners of
>>>>>> Government
>>>>>> Motors, and now it's backfiring on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a link to Strassel's article:
>>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/potomac_watch.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Eddie
>>>>
>>>>Can you summarize the article. I don't subscribe, so I could only see
>>>>the teaser. Sounds like another Government scandal in the making.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's an opinion piece without a shred of evidence for it's allegations.
>>> A typical right wing hit piece aimed at undermining the Obama
>>> Administration. The WSJ has no credibility anymore.
>>
>>So far, EVERYTHING about Toyota is an 'opinion piece' without anything
>>pointing one way or the other.
>>
>>
>>
> Tell that to all the dead Toyota victims.

And what caused their accidents?

One guy even had enough time to call 911, but couldn't get the car into
neutral or turn off the engine?

http://www.darwinawards.com/



From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:28:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:53:47 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:32:41 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:48:40 -0500, "C. E. White"
>>> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Ed Maier" <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:hlu5is$uvm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>>>> Read Kimberley A. Strassel's article in this weekend's Wall Street
>>>>>> Journal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems the whole flap has indeed been concocted by the owners of
>>>>>> Government
>>>>>> Motors, and now it's backfiring on them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a link to Strassel's article:
>>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/potomac_watch.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Eddie
>>>>
>>>>Can you summarize the article. I don't subscribe, so I could only see
>>>>the teaser. Sounds like another Government scandal in the making.
>>>>
>>>>Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's an opinion piece without a shred of evidence for it's allegations.
>>> A typical right wing hit piece aimed at undermining the Obama
>>> Administration. The WSJ has no credibility anymore.
>>
>>So far, EVERYTHING about Toyota is an 'opinion piece' without anything
>>pointing one way or the other.
>>
>>
>>
> Tell that to all the dead Toyota victims.

Blame the light bulb company:

Electric Bathtub Blues
1994 Darwin Award Nominee
Confirmed True by Darwin
(11 March 1978, France) The singer Claude Francois, whose stellar career
can be compared to that of Elvis Presley, popularized rock and roll music
in France. One evening, he returned to his Paris apartment from a busy
touring schedule, and ran a bath. While standing in the filled tub, he
noticed a light bulb that wasn't straight, tried to straighten it... and
was electrocuted.



From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:19:39 -0600, AZ Nomad wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:28:47 -0700, Ashton Crusher <demi(a)moore.net> wrote:
>>On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:53:47 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
>>wrote:
>
>>>On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:32:41 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:48:40 -0500, "C. E. White"
>>>> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Ed Maier" <evmaiertakethisout(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:hlu5is$uvm$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read Kimberley A. Strassel's article in this weekend's Wall Street
>>>>>>> Journal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems the whole flap has indeed been concocted by the owners of
>>>>>>> Government
>>>>>>> Motors, and now it's backfiring on them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a link to Strassel's article:
>>>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/potomac_watch.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eddie
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you summarize the article. I don't subscribe, so I could only see
>>>>>the teaser. Sounds like another Government scandal in the making.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It's an opinion piece without a shred of evidence for it's
>>>> allegations. A typical right wing hit piece aimed at undermining the
>>>> Obama Administration. The WSJ has no credibility anymore.
>>>
>>>So far, EVERYTHING about Toyota is an 'opinion piece' without anything
>>>pointing one way or the other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Tell that to all the dead Toyota victims.
> Go find one. It's a little tough after trying to avoid the 3000 highway
> victims every month to find one of those toyota victims.

Really. Ask them what happened.

Funny how NO ONE has produced data from the ECUs yet, and yet they point
the finger.

Asshats.

Am I saying Toyota is NOT at fault? I don't think I ever have. I'm saying
the people did not RESPOND TO THE SITUATION CORRECTLY. Like the woman in
Congress who said "God stopped the car" after she couldn't.

There is an OFF button on the dashboard. It takes three seconds.



From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:01:52 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

>>>> Some medling is justified, even necessary ( some level of safety
>>>> standards for instance), but all to often politicians try to
>>>> micro-adjust the economy to buy votes. It rarely works out well.
>
>> Bob Cooper wrote:
>>> The biggest meddler here is the press - including her - and Toyota
>>> owners who want the issues resolved.
>>> And most of the "pressure" is coming from Toyota owners. The conspiracy
>>> wackos and fanboys are in another category.
>
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
>> I guess you didn't see where I said if Toyota comes up with a mea culpa,
>> and doesn't do something about it then it's time to go shopping for
>> another car.
>> At least one that's closer than 2,500 miles away.
>
> That's easy:
> http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=4993.0

Too bad they didn't move to NH first, and THEN sell the car. A lot closer.

I had one of those with Fred Flinstone floorboards. It was a FUN car, but
needed more repair than I knew how to do back then.

From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:01:52 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

>>>> Some medling is justified, even necessary ( some level of safety
>>>> standards for instance), but all to often politicians try to
>>>> micro-adjust the economy to buy votes. It rarely works out well.
>
>> Bob Cooper wrote:
>>> The biggest meddler here is the press - including her - and Toyota
>>> owners who want the issues resolved.
>>> And most of the "pressure" is coming from Toyota owners. The conspiracy
>>> wackos and fanboys are in another category.
>
> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
>> I guess you didn't see where I said if Toyota comes up with a mea culpa,
>> and doesn't do something about it then it's time to go shopping for
>> another car.
>> At least one that's closer than 2,500 miles away.
>
> That's easy:
> http://bbs.freetalklive.com/index.php?topic=4993.0

Hey! You just made me realize something! There WAS a GM car I liked!
The Corvair, the 1964 Nova we had, and a 1974 Nova I had until gas hit 75
cents a gallon...then it was back to Toyota...