Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem
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From: jim beam on 26 Feb 2010 22:44 On 02/26/2010 04:09 PM, C. E. White wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> > Newsgroups: > alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.toyota.camry,alt.autos.toyota.prius,rec.autos.tech > > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem > > >> In message <hm11ga$tb1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, C. E. White >> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> writes >>> Toyota's whole business was based on >>> Japanese government funding and the exclusion of foreign competition >>> from the Japanese market. > >> You really are a basket case. You've been told ,I can't count just how >> many times, that the average Japanese person wants a car smaller than >> two litres and no one in America makes one. I've pointed out to you >> that it's illegal to own a car in Japan unless you own a parking >> space, what's more others have pointed out that fuel is about five >> times the cost it is in the US. You're just plain thick, or as someone >> from your side of the pond put it "Stoooooopid. > > > What has this got to do with the Japanese government bankrolling > Toyota's expansion? how about the u.s. government facilitating the gm attack on toyota? > > I was just pointing out that Toyota was/is getting plenty of > governmental support just like GM. I think it is unreasonable to attack > GM for being propped up by the government when Toyota is also being > supported by various US and Japanese government entities. apart from the fact that toyota employs tens of thousands of americans. gm doesn't emply a corresponding number of japanese. > > The Japanese government protected Toyota from foreign competition for > years. the u.s. government simply gives gm billions of dollars and gives them tax write-offs. > The Japanese government funded much of Toyotas' growth in the > 50's, 60's and 70's. and the u.s. government... > When Toyota started having problems last year, the > Japanese government stepped in and provided emergency financing to > Toyota. and the u.s. government... > Many US governments have provided Toyota with financial > incentives to locate plants in their jurisdictions. because they were offering jobs... > All this is factual. > Trashing GM because it was bailed out by the US government is only > reasonable if you are willing to also criticize Toyota for accepting > government aid. bullshit. > My personal opinion is that the government should be > criticized for essentially confiscating GM from the prior stockholders > and turning over a large chunk of it to the UAW. on that we agree. gm should have been allowed to fail. > I was not a GM > stockholder, but I think I would rather have seen it go down the tubes. > GM had some valuable assets. I might have gotten something for my stock, > instead of nothing. I believe the US government far exceeded it's > authority in the GM bailout. yeah, they're funding astroturfers to fake "public opinion" on usenet. > > Ed -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: C. E. White on 2 Mar 2010 00:16
"jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:DM2dnWSVF4CMCBXWnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 02/26/2010 04:09 PM, C. E. White wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive" <clive(a)yewbank.demon.co.uk> >> Newsgroups: >> alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.toyota.camry,alt.autos.toyota.prius,rec.autos.tech >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 6:39 PM >> Subject: Re: Toyota Corolla May Be Recalled over Steering Problem >> >> >>> In message <hm11ga$tb1$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, C. E. White >>> <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> writes >>>> Toyota's whole business was based on >>>> Japanese government funding and the exclusion of foreign competition >>>> from the Japanese market. >> >>> You really are a basket case. You've been told ,I can't count just how >>> many times, that the average Japanese person wants a car smaller than >>> two litres and no one in America makes one. I've pointed out to you >>> that it's illegal to own a car in Japan unless you own a parking >>> space, what's more others have pointed out that fuel is about five >>> times the cost it is in the US. You're just plain thick, or as someone >>> from your side of the pond put it "Stoooooopid. >> >> >> What has this got to do with the Japanese government bankrolling >> Toyota's expansion? > > how about the u.s. government facilitating the gm attack on toyota? I see other promoting this conspiracy theory as well. It is for certain that Toyota hired several former NHTSA employees to lobby NHTSA. It is also true that the Toyota Government Relations gGoup was congratulating themselves on killing off several potential investigations. I think there is as much evidence to say Toyota was using undo influence on NHTSA as there is for the claim that the Obama administration is behind some sort of conspiracy to trash Toyota. For sure numerous politicians have come out in support of Toyota. The recent House and Senate hearing have been packed with Toyota dealers. So, I think you are reaching when you make this claim. Heck, even Toyoda admitted there were problems......they just weren't his fault (which is actually true, since most of the problems occurred before he took over the top job). >> I was just pointing out that Toyota was/is getting plenty of >> governmental support just like GM. I think it is unreasonable to attack >> GM for being propped up by the government when Toyota is also being >> supported by various US and Japanese government entities. > > apart from the fact that toyota employs tens of thousands of americans. gm > doesn't emply a corresponding number of Japanese. The Japanese Government would not allow GM the chance to own the outright controlling interest in any major Japanese automakers. However, there was a time when GM had significant stakes in Isuzu, Subaru, and Suzuki. What do you suppose would have happen if the US Government had restricted sales of Japanese cars in the US in the same manner US companies were shut out of Japan? >> The Japanese government protected Toyota from foreign competition for >> years. > > the u.s. government simply gives gm billions of dollars and gives them tax > write-offs. I wasn't happy about the way this was handled. I think GM should have been allowed to go into bankruptcy. GM would not have disappeared, but a lot of bankers would have lost a lot of money. The US Governement has never set up the sort of barrier to foreign automakers that the Japanese government has (and still does). >> The Japanese government funded much of Toyotas' growth in the >> 50's, 60's and 70's. > > and the u.s. government... I don't think the US Federal Government provided financing to Toyota in the 50's, 60's, and 70's (or to US Car companies fot that matter). >> When Toyota started having problems last year, the >> Japanese government stepped in and provided emergency financing to >> Toyota. > > and the u.s. government... I am not sure what your point is here. As far as I know the US Federal government did not provide financial aide to Toyota - well except for the tax rebates they provided for Hybrid cars which mostly benefited Toyota. >> Many US governments have provided Toyota with financial >> incentives to locate plants in their jurisdictions. > > because they were offering jobs... So do you figure if the various states had not tried to buy these jobs, Toyota would not have built the plants anyhow? Toyota played the various state governments off against each other. >> All this is factual. >> Trashing GM because it was bailed out by the US government is only >> reasonable if you are willing to also criticize Toyota for accepting >> government aid. > > bullshit. Why is this? Toyota has received billions from various governments. Why is it OK for Toyota to get government funds, but not OK for GM? >> My personal opinion is that the government should be >> criticized for essentially confiscating GM from the prior stockholders >> and turning over a large chunk of it to the UAW. > > on that we agree. gm should have been allowed to fail. > > >> I was not a GM >> stockholder, but I think I would rather have seen it go down the tubes. >> GM had some valuable assets. I might have gotten something for my stock, >> instead of nothing. I believe the US government far exceeded it's >> authority in the GM bailout. > > yeah, they're funding astroturfers to fake "public opinion" on usenet. I really have a hard time figuring out your motivations. Your posts are mostly irrational and so one sided as to be laughable. You seem willing to make up all sort of lies to attack domestic manufacturers, while dismissing any actual facts that put Toyota in a negative light as lies. You are so far over the top in your assertions, I am beginning to think you are actually some sort of counter agent. By unleashing such ridiculous and unreasonable attacks maybe your plan is to torpedo Toyota by association. Ed |