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From: Harry K on 1 Mar 2010 10:55
On Mar 1, 4:55 am, Dave__67 <spamTHIS...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 3:10 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Some fascinating info has come out of the Toyota hearings and the
> > commentary which followed.
>
> ...
> >http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/feb2010/bw20100225_4035...
>
> > It has become common knowledge by now that no passenger car engine can
> > overpower the vehicle's brakes, assuming those brakes are applied
> > correctly.
>
> This is a foolish blanket statement, proven false.
>
> Admittedly you still have to be a yutz to let a sticking gas pedal/
> uncommanded throttle activity to kill you, but there are a few cars
> out there where the brakes, in perfect condition, can slow but not
> quite stop the car. Enough time at even 20-30mph with the throttle on/
> brakes on would fade 'em to uselessness and acceleration would resume.
>
> Again, you'd have to be a yutz to not pick something soft to hit while
> you were doing that 20-30mph (assuming the car was possessed and the
> key/button/shifter did nothing).
>
> Dave

Second thought: In the old brake systems, you should be able to lock
up all 4 wheels + no fade and quick stop. But what happens with the
'anti-lock' system that won't allow wheel lockup?....

Harry K
From: Brent on 1 Mar 2010 11:10
On 2010-03-01, Harry K <turnkey4099(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 1, 4:55�am, Dave__67 <spamTHIS...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 28, 3:10�pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Some fascinating info has come out of the Toyota hearings and the
>> > commentary which followed.
>>
>> ...
>> >http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/feb2010/bw20100225_4035...
>>
>> > It has become common knowledge by now that no passenger car engine can
>> > overpower the vehicle's brakes, assuming those brakes are applied
>> > correctly.
>>
>> This is a foolish blanket statement, proven false.
>>
>> Admittedly you still have to be a yutz to let a sticking gas pedal/
>> uncommanded throttle activity to kill you, but there are a few cars
>> out there where the brakes, in perfect condition, can slow but not
>> quite stop the car. Enough time at even 20-30mph with the throttle on/
>> brakes on would fade 'em to uselessness and acceleration would resume.
>>
>> Again, you'd have to be a yutz to not pick something soft to hit while
>> you were doing that 20-30mph (assuming the car was possessed and the
>> key/button/shifter did nothing).

> Second thought: In the old brake systems, you should be able to lock
> up all 4 wheels + no fade and quick stop. But what happens with the
> 'anti-lock' system that won't allow wheel lockup?....

It could be that ABS does prevent the brakes from over coming the
engine. Get on the brakes hard, the ABS cycles and the engine
accelerates the car between the braking cycling. The cycling then wears
down/heats the brakes. In that case I think there would be varied
results based on the ABS programming.

ABS needs some user selectivity:

1) On.
2) On, but disengages under 10mph.
3) Off.


From: John David Galt on 1 Mar 2010 12:50
Scott in SoCal wrote:
> First up is Alex Roy, who noticed that while ~30 people may have died
> due to a defect in the Toyota throttle system, TENS OF THOUSANDS of
> people have died in Toyotas due to their own incompetence. Where are
> the Congressional hearings into this glaring safety issue?

I don't think even Congress thinks it has the authority to hold God
accountable for manufacturing stupid people. Besides, if He recalled
them, there'd be nobody left on Capitol Hill.
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