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From: Harry K on 28 Feb 2010 17:11
On Feb 28, 12:10 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Some fascinating info has come out of the Toyota hearings and the
> commentary which followed.
>
> First up is Alex Roy, who noticed that while ~30 people may have died
> due to a defect in the Toyota throttle system, TENS OF THOUSANDS of
> people have died in Toyotas due to their own incompetence. Where are
> the Congressional hearings into this glaring safety issue?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPWTXKLVY1s
>
> And then we have Rhonda Smith, who tearfully testified before Congress
> that her Lexus was "possessed," and yet this good Christian woman, who
> prayed to God to save her from her "possessed" Lexus, had absolutely
> no qualms about selling that demonic car to another innocent family.
> Oddly enough, that family was able to put 27,000 trouble-free miles on
> the car before Toyota took possession of it.
>
> http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/shame-on-you-rhonda-smith/
>
> There are more details on the Rhonda Smith case here, where we
> discover that there is no evidence that the ever applied the emergency
> brake as she claimed in her testimony. Did she lie under oath to cover
> her own incompetence?
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/feb2010/bw20100225_4035...
>
> It has become common knowledge by now that no passenger car engine can
> overpower the vehicle's brakes, assuming those brakes are applied
> correctly. So why do "victims" like Rhonda Smith claim that the brakes
> did nothing? Is it so embarrassing to admit that you panicked, and
> because you weren't thinking clearly you didn't apply the brakes
> correctly (or at all in the case of the emergency/parking brake)? That
> due to your panic you stabbed at the "Off" button for the ignition
> instead of holding it down for 3 seconds? That due to your panic you
> couldn't figure out where the "neutral" position was in the gear
> shifter? When you get right down to it, isn't this just another case
> of "Lady Driven?"
>
> Ed wallace is 100% correct when he states:
>
> >If Congress really wanted to get at the truth, they should have called
> >disinterested third-party engineers to study and get their opinion on this
> >case. Nobody believes Toyota, even if the final facts prove it's correct..
> >Everyone believes the witnesses, even when the engineering evidence often
> >disproves their testimony. It is impossible to come to a scientifically
> >valid conclusion under those two circumstances, which is why many
> >individuals involved in this issue have described the proceedings as
> >"witch hunts."
>
> --
> The MFFY Litmus Test:
> If your maneuver forces another driver WHO HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
> to alter course or speed, what you did was probably MFFY.

Ah but the problem has made for a convenient excuse. Saw on the news
the other night where a woman got into a toyota, started it, jumped
curb and into a store "It just suddenly accelerated even though I had
my foot on the brake"...Yeah....rrrriiiiigghttt.

Harry K
From: Brent on 28 Feb 2010 17:12
On 2010-02-28, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Some fascinating info has come out of the Toyota hearings and the
> commentary which followed.
>
> First up is Alex Roy, who noticed that while ~30 people may have died
> due to a defect in the Toyota throttle system, TENS OF THOUSANDS of
> people have died in Toyotas due to their own incompetence. Where are
> the Congressional hearings into this glaring safety issue?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPWTXKLVY1s
>
> And then we have Rhonda Smith, who tearfully testified before Congress
> that her Lexus was "possessed," and yet this good Christian woman, who
> prayed to God to save her from her "possessed" Lexus, had absolutely
> no qualms about selling that demonic car to another innocent family.
> Oddly enough, that family was able to put 27,000 trouble-free miles on
> the car before Toyota took possession of it.
>
> http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/shame-on-you-rhonda-smith/
>
> There are more details on the Rhonda Smith case here, where we
> discover that there is no evidence that the ever applied the emergency
> brake as she claimed in her testimony. Did she lie under oath to cover
> her own incompetence?
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/feb2010/bw20100225_403524.htm
>
> It has become common knowledge by now that no passenger car engine can
> overpower the vehicle's brakes, assuming those brakes are applied
> correctly. So why do "victims" like Rhonda Smith claim that the brakes
> did nothing? Is it so embarrassing to admit that you panicked, and
> because you weren't thinking clearly you didn't apply the brakes
> correctly (or at all in the case of the emergency/parking brake)? That
> due to your panic you stabbed at the "Off" button for the ignition
> instead of holding it down for 3 seconds? That due to your panic you
> couldn't figure out where the "neutral" position was in the gear
> shifter? When you get right down to it, isn't this just another case
> of "Lady Driven?"
>
> Ed wallace is 100% correct when he states:
>
>>If Congress really wanted to get at the truth, they should have called
>>disinterested third-party engineers to study and get their opinion on this
>>case. Nobody believes Toyota, even if the final facts prove it's correct.
>>Everyone believes the witnesses, even when the engineering evidence often
>>disproves their testimony. It is impossible to come to a scientifically
>>valid conclusion under those two circumstances, which is why many
>>individuals involved in this issue have described the proceedings as
>>"witch hunts."

It's becaus the judgments are made on an emotional level.

No amount of evidence will convince people otherwise and the media plays
to that. The whole political system operates that way. Facts don't get
you anywhere. Toyota's problems are now political and the facts no
longer matter. That's why the nation is so screwed up. Just
about everything is turned into an emotional political driven issue.

From: Dave__67 on 1 Mar 2010 07:55
On Feb 28, 3:10 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Some fascinating info has come out of the Toyota hearings and the
> commentary which followed.
>
>
....
> http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/feb2010/bw20100225_4035...
>
> It has become common knowledge by now that no passenger car engine can
> overpower the vehicle's brakes, assuming those brakes are applied
> correctly.

This is a foolish blanket statement, proven false.

Admittedly you still have to be a yutz to let a sticking gas pedal/
uncommanded throttle activity to kill you, but there are a few cars
out there where the brakes, in perfect condition, can slow but not
quite stop the car. Enough time at even 20-30mph with the throttle on/
brakes on would fade 'em to uselessness and acceleration would resume.

Again, you'd have to be a yutz to not pick something soft to hit while
you were doing that 20-30mph (assuming the car was possessed and the
key/button/shifter did nothing).


Dave
From: Harry K on 1 Mar 2010 10:52
On Feb 28, 9:08 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Harry K <turnkey4...(a)hotmail.com>
> said:
>
> >Ah but the problem has made for a convenient excuse.  Saw on the news
> >the other night where a woman got into a toyota, started it, jumped
> >curb and into a store "It just suddenly accelerated even though I had
> >my foot on the brake"...Yeah....rrrriiiiigghttt.
>
> Alex Roy in that video clip suggests using "unintended acceleration"
> as an excuse to get out of speeding tickets. :)
> --
> The MFFY Litmus Test:
> If your maneuver forces another driver WHO HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
> to alter course or speed, what you did was probably MFFY.

Now there is a thought!!

Harry K
From: Harry K on 1 Mar 2010 10:53
On Mar 1, 4:55 am, Dave__67 <spamTHIS...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 3:10 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Some fascinating info has come out of the Toyota hearings and the
> > commentary which followed.
>
> ...
> >http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/feb2010/bw20100225_4035...
>
> > It has become common knowledge by now that no passenger car engine can
> > overpower the vehicle's brakes, assuming those brakes are applied
> > correctly.
>
> This is a foolish blanket statement, proven false.
>
> Admittedly you still have to be a yutz to let a sticking gas pedal/
> uncommanded throttle activity to kill you, but there are a few cars
> out there where the brakes, in perfect condition, can slow but not
> quite stop the car. Enough time at even 20-30mph with the throttle on/
> brakes on would fade 'em to uselessness and acceleration would resume.
>
> Again, you'd have to be a yutz to not pick something soft to hit while
> you were doing that 20-30mph (assuming the car was possessed and the
> key/button/shifter did nothing).
>
> Dave

Might be true if you didn't apply the brakes "agressively".

Harry K
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