Toyota Throttle Electronics Easily Confused
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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 24 Feb 2010 15:45 On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:19:10 -0500, Mr Ed wrote: > > Years ago I had a Chrysler product that developed a engine problem that > created a code. After that the car would only max out at 20mph. Just > enough to limp into the dealer to fix or re-set the code. 20 years ago > before I retired, I tested eletronic products for Test House approvals > (UL, ETL, CSA, etc). Our purpose was to assure that no matter what > internal device failed, it didn't create a deadly problem. Why can't > Toyota prove that no matter what component failed, short or open, that the > car will not exceed a safe speed? I don't believe they did their homework > properly. Removing my floor mat in my Prius is a joke. There is no way it > can jam the pedal that my foot on the mat couldn't move it away from the > pedal within seconds. The only reason I removed it (per the recall) is so > if my car becomes a run away missile at least my heirs can become > Millionaires. That doesn't comfort me. Re-designing the pedal is only a > band-aide to the real problem. Since my car was made in Japan, I'm not > included. Right. There will be no problem with your gas pedal binding up due to corrosion. The reported problem is that the area around the spring corrodes, and keeps the spring from returning the pedal to idle position. The shim keeps the spring from binding. Since your pedal was sourced from Japan, and not CTS in the US, it does not have this problem. But here's a hint: turn your cruise control OFF when you're not using it. OFF, not just Cancel, or hitting the brakes. OFF.
From: ransley on 24 Feb 2010 18:37 On Feb 24, 2:20 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "ransley" <Mark_Rans...(a)Yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1268a8ba-6132-4de9-ad21-c8e4bfaae585(a)o16g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 23, 7:47 pm, john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the > > problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so > > no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. > > > "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University > > professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment > > a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by > > introducing a short between two circuits. > > > Gilbert, whose research was sponsored by consumer advocacy firm Safety > > Research & Strategies, says it was fairly simple to confuse the Toyota > > electronics, but he has so far been unable to introduce a similar > > failure in the electronic controls for a Buick Lucerne." > > >http://wardsauto.com/home/toyota_still_looking_100223/ > > I thought it was 70% of complaints lodged going back to 02 or near, > not 70% of affected cars. > > Im sure they know the reason why it happens, toyotas beancounters > just figure its cheaper to ignore it and too hard to prove. > > =============== > > That attitude must be taught in business schools. It closely matches the > attitude of airlines & aircraft manufacturers. My attitude is logic, yours ignorance.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 24 Feb 2010 18:39 "ransley" <Mark_Ransley(a)Yahoo.com> wrote in message news:c1e1010c-6b0a-4098-8363-b129892891d0(a)v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com... On Feb 24, 2:20 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "ransley" <Mark_Rans...(a)Yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1268a8ba-6132-4de9-ad21-c8e4bfaae585(a)o16g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 23, 7:47 pm, john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the > > problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so > > no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. > > > "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University > > professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment > > a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by > > introducing a short between two circuits. > > > Gilbert, whose research was sponsored by consumer advocacy firm Safety > > Research & Strategies, says it was fairly simple to confuse the Toyota > > electronics, but he has so far been unable to introduce a similar > > failure in the electronic controls for a Buick Lucerne." > > >http://wardsauto.com/home/toyota_still_looking_100223/ > > I thought it was 70% of complaints lodged going back to 02 or near, > not 70% of affected cars. > > Im sure they know the reason why it happens, toyotas beancounters > just figure its cheaper to ignore it and too hard to prove. > > =============== > > That attitude must be taught in business schools. It closely matches the > attitude of airlines & aircraft manufacturers. My attitude is logic, yours ignorance. ================== I was referring to the attitude of the bean counters, you knucklehead. That being the case, the only way you could possibly disagree with me is to have read NOTHING in the past 20 years about how airlines & aircraft manufacturers view risk vs safety.
From: cuhulin on 24 Feb 2010 19:04 FBI raids Toyota Suppliers. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=284435 What do you bet FBI won't raid Government Motors and Government Chrysler Motors suppliers? cuhulin
From: ACAR on 24 Feb 2010 22:27
On Feb 23, 8:47 pm, john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University > professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment > a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by > introducing a short between two circuits. > super! now ask Gilbert to reproduce his results on a Camry. and/or ask Gilbert to visit a factory to see if there's a chance that the circuits may be shorted during assembly. |